{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-21/p038","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now it is significant that the so-called dead do not appreciate such concepts. They do not appreciate sharply-defined concepts which are immobile and lifeless. One can learn some extraordinary things, some very interesting things in this connection—if I may be permitted to use such commonplace and banal expressions for these venerable circumstances. As you know, for we have gone through all this together here, I have recently been endeavouring to discuss, using lantern slides, all kinds of considerations about periods in the history of art. I have been endeavouring to find concepts for all kinds of artistic phenomena. To communicate through speech one has to find concepts. Yet I have constantly felt the need to avoid firm, clearly-defined concepts for artistic matters. Of course, for the lectures I had to attempt to define the concepts as far as possible, for they have to be defined if they are to be put into words. But while I was preparing the lectures and formulating the concepts I must say I had a certain aversion, if I may use this word, to expressing what had to be said in such meagre concepts as have to be used if things are to be expressed in words. Indeed, we shall only understand one another in these realms if you translate what has been expressed in close-textured concepts back into concepts of which the texture is less clearly defined.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXII","site_heading":"The Dead, Materialism, and Spiritual Concepts","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Man kann da die merkwürdigsten Erfahrungen machen, Erfahrungen, die sehr interessant sind, wenn man eben solch einen trivial-banalen Ausdruck für diese ehrwürdigen Verhältnisse brauchen darf. Ich habe in der letzten Zeit mich hier bemüht, wie Sie wissen, denn wir haben ja das alles zusammen hier absolviert, auch allerlei Betrachtungen anzustellen über Kunstperioden in Anlehnung an unsere Lichtbilder. Ich habe mich bemüht, manche künstlerische Erscheinung in Begriffe zu bringen. Wenn man reden will, so muß man sie in Begriffe bringen. Allein ich hatte immer das Bedürfnis, die künstlerischen Zusammenhänge nicht in so stramme, festumrissene Begriffe zu kleiden. Wenn ich auch bei den Betrachtungen versucht habe, die Begriffe so weit als möglich zu schnüren: um sie in Worte zu prägen, muß man sie schon bestimmt fassen. Aber ich hatte während der Ausbildung der Begriffe in der Vorbereitung zu den Betrachtungen hier wirklich, ich möchte sagen, einen gewissen Widerwillen, wenn ich das Wort gebrauchen darf, die Zusammenhänge, auf die da hinzuweisen ist, mit so dürftigen Begriffen zu geben, wie sie eben gegeben werden müssen, wenn man sich aussprechen will. Und verstehen werden wir uns auf diesen Gebieten nur dann, wenn Sie gewissermaßen wieder zurückübersetzen dasjenige, was in engmaschigen Begriffen gesagt ist, in weitermaschige Begriffe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":232,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/173c/1917-01-21/p033"}],"english":["GA 173c/1917-01-21/p038"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":232,"en_words":233,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.97,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6085,"original_word_count":6271,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"RSP1988","book_title":"The Karma of Untruthfulness II","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA173c/English/RSP1988/19170121p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"no_translator_named","note":"Neither the lecture's own page nor rsarchive's lecture list names a translator for it. 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