{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-21/p039","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"If one comes up against this experience at a time when one is also concerned with the world of discarnate souls, the following can happen. One may be attempting to comprehend a phenomenon which gives one the feeling of being far too unintelligent to grasp it in concepts. One looks at the phenomenon but has insufficient understanding with which to bind it properly into concepts. This experience, which is particularly likely when one is contemplating a work of art, can bring one into especially intimate contact with discarnate souls, with the souls of the dead. For these souls prefer concepts which are not sharply defined, concepts which are more mobile and can mingle with the phenomena. Sharply defined concepts, concepts similar to those formed here on the physical plane under the influence of the physical conditions of the sense-perceptible world, give the dead the feeling of being nailed to one particular spot, whereas what they need for their life in the spiritual world is freedom of movement.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXII","site_heading":"The Dead, Materialism, and Spiritual Concepts","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Durch scharf umrissene Begriffe, durch solche Begriffe, die ähnlich sind denen, die hier auf dem physischen Plan unter der Einwirkung der physisch-sinnlichen Verhältnisse gebildet werden, fühlen sich die Toten wie angenagelt an bestimmte Orte, während sie ein freies Bewegen für ihr Leben in der geistigen Welt brauchen. Daher ist die Beschäftigung mit der Geisteswissenschaft auch aus diesem Grunde bedeutsam, um in jene intimen Erlebenssphären hineinzukommen, wo nach dem gestern Angedeuteten der lebende Mensch hier sich mit dem Toten begegnen kann, weil die geisteswissenschaftlichen Begriffe schon nicht so bestimmt gehalten werden können wie diejenigen, die für den physischen Plan ausgearbeitet werden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":227,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/173c/1917-01-21/p034"},{"locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-21/p035","passage_number":35,"text":"Daher haben böswillige oder beschränkte Menschen es sehr leicht, in geisteswissenschaftlichen Begriffen Widersprüche zu entdecken, weil die Begriffe lebendig sind, und das Lebendige trägt in einem gewissen Sinne, wenn auch nicht den kontradiktorischen Widerspruch, so doch das Bewegliche in sich. Aber das kommt gerade durch die Beschäftigung mit dem Geistigen. Man muß da die Dinge von den verschiedensten Seiten beleuchten. Und dieses Beleuchten von den verschiedensten Seiten bringt einen nun wirklich der geistigen Welt nahe. Daher fühlen sich die Toten wohl, wenn sie hereinkommen können in die Sphäre von Menschenbegriffen, die nicht pedantisch umrissen sind, sondern die beweglich sind. Am unwohlsten fühlen sich die Toten, wenn sie hereinkommen sollen in die allerpedantischesten Begriffe, die für die übersinnliche Welt in der letzten Zeit geprägt worden sind für die Menschen, die nun ganz und gar nicht in der geistigen Welt leben wollen, sondern die auch für die geistige Welt Sinnliches haben wollen, die also spiritistische Experimente machen, um auch die geistigen Begriffe in die sinnliche Sphäre ganz fest hereinzubekommen. Das sind eigentlich die größten Materialisten. Diese Menschen suchen für den Verkehr mit den Toten gerade starre Begriffe auf. Daher martern sie die Toten am allermeisten, weil sie sie zwingen, wenn sie herankommen wollen, gerade in das Gebiet einzutreten, das der Tote seiner ganzen Organisation nach nicht lieben kann. 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