{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-21/p044","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Strongly though one must combat materialistic views and materialistic ways of life, nevertheless one may not maintain that the most unspiritual people belong to the circles of materialists. I have personally met many spiritual people, that is, people who are themselves spiritual, not just in their views, among the monists and suchlike, and equally many coarse materialists especially among the spiritualists. Here, though they may speak of the spirit, are to be found the most coarsely materialistic characters. Haeckel, for instance, is a most spiritual person, regardless of what he often says. He is most spiritual, and just because of this can be approached by an ahrimanic world view. He is a most spiritual person, entirely permeated by the spirit. This once became clearly apparent to me in a cafe in Weimar. I have told this story before, perhaps more than once. Haeckel was sitting at the other end of the table with his beautiful, spiritual blue eyes and his marvellous head. Nearer to me sat the well-known bookseller Herz, a man who has done great service to the German book trade and who knew quite a bit about Haeckel in general. But he did not know that that was Haeckel sitting at the other end of the table. At one point Haeckel laughed heartily. Herz asked: Who is that man laughing so much down there? When I told him it was Haeckel he said: It can't be, evil people can't laugh like that!","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXII","site_heading":"The Dead, Materialism, and Spiritual Concepts","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Wirklich, wenn ich da ein Persönliches einfügen darf: Ich habe viele geistige Menschen gefunden, nicht solche, die geistige Ansichten haben, sondern die geistige Menschen sind, in Monistenvereinen und dergleichen, dagegen grobe materialistische Naturen vorzugsweise in Spiritistenvereinen. Gerade da findet man, wenn auch dort vom Geiste geredet wird, die am gröbsten materialistischen Naturen. Und wirklich, abgesehen von dem, was er oftmals behauptet: Ein durchaus geistiger Mensch, der gerade aus Geistigkeit heraus zugänglich ist einer ahrimanischen Weltanschauung, ist zum Beispiel Haeckel. Haeckel ist ein geistiger Mensch, ein ganz durchgeistigter Mensch. Mir trat das einmal besonders deutlich vor Augen, als ich in Weimar in der dortigen alten «Künstlerschmiede» saß — ich habe die Sache schon einmal erzählt, vielleicht sogar mehrmals — und da war Haeckel am andern Ende des Tisches, mit seinen schönen geistigen blauen Augen und seinem schönen Kopfe. In meiner Nähe befand sich der berühmte Buchhändler Herz, der sehr viele Verdienste um den deutschen Buchhandel hat und der so im allgemeinen etwas von Haeckel wußte, aber nicht wußte, daß das der Haeckel ist, der da am andern Ende des Tisches saß. Als Haeckel einmal so herzlich lachte, fragte Herz: Wer ist denn der Mann, der da unten so lacht an dem Tische? — Da sagte ich: Das ist der Haeckel. — Das ist nicht möglich -, sagte er, böse Menschen können so nicht lachen!","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":249,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/173c/1917-01-21/p038"}],"english":["GA 173c/1917-01-21/p044"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":249,"en_words":244,"ratio":0.98,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.97,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6085,"original_word_count":6271,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"RSP1988","book_title":"The Karma of Untruthfulness II","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA173c/English/RSP1988/19170121p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"no_translator_named","note":"Neither the lecture's own page nor rsarchive's lecture list names a translator for it. 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