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And they do indeed receive something that is an equivalent; they are indeed permeated by something; but what? They are permeated by something that comes from archai who have remained behind at the stage of the archangeloi. So, instead of being permeated by the substance of the real archangeloi—as would be normal—they are permeated by archai, by time spirits, but by those who have not ascended to the level of the time spirits but have remained behind at the level of the archangeloi. They would have become archai if they had evolved normally, but they have remained behind at the level of the archangeloi. 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Denn durch das, was da angestrebt wird, wird erreicht, daß die menschliche Individualität sich hineinlebt in die geistige Welt, durchdrungen wird von der Hierarchie der Angeloi, aber nicht hinaufsteigt zu der Hierarchie der Archangeloi. Es wird gewissermaßen angestrebt, abzusetzen von der menschlichen Entwickelung die Hierarchie der Archangeloi!","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":97,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/173c/1917-01-22/p018"},{"locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-22/p019","passage_number":19,"text":"Wenn Sie recht aufmerksam sind auf mancherlei, was Ihnen hat kund werden können, vielleicht nicht den Jüngeren - ich meine in Mitgliedschaft jüngeren —, aber den älteren unter unseren Mitgliedern, so werden Sie selbst aus der Theosophical Society heraus deutliche Anzeichen vernehmen für diese Dinge. Es werden sich gewiß solche, welche noch das Leben der Theosophical Society mitgemacht haben, erinnern, daß von einzelnen tonangebenden Mitgliedern dieser Theosophical Society, vor allen Dingen von dem berüchtigten Mr. Leadbeater, geradezu gesagt worden ist, daß in vieler Beziehung das Leben zwischen dem Tod und einer neuen Geburt eine Art Traumleben sei. Gerade diejenigen, die ältere Mitglieder waren in der 'Theosophical Society, die wissen, daß diese Dinge verbreitet worden sind.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":115,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/173c/1917-01-22/p019"},{"locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-22/p020","passage_number":20,"text":"Es ist nun nicht wunderbar, daß so etwas behauptet wird, denn für gewisse Seelen, bei denen so etwas zum Teil schon gelungen war, und die dann jener Leadbeater fand in der geistigen Welt, traf das ja wirklich zu. Es war für gewisse Seelen wirklich schon gelungen, sie abzuschließen von der Welt der Archangeloi, und daher mangelte ihnen das helle, starke Bewußtsein. Leadbeater beobachtete also in seiner Art eben schon den Machinationen solcher Brüderschaften verfallene Seelen. Nur kam er nicht so weit, dasjenige zu beobachten, was nach einer gewissen Zeit aus diesen Seelen wird, denn diese Seelen können keineswegs die ganze Zeit zwischen dem Tode und einer neuen Geburt ohne jene Ingredienzien bleiben, die bei normalen Leben herkommen von der Welt der Archangeloi, sondern sie müssen etwas anderes erhalten. Und sie erhalten wirklich ein Äquivalent, sie werden auch durchsetzt von etwas, aber jetzt wovon? Sie werden durchsetzt von etwas, was von den auf der Archangeloistufe zurückgebliebenen Archai kommt. Also statt daß sie normalerweise durchsetzt würden von der Substantialität der richtigen Archangeloi, werden sie durchsetzt von Archai, von Zeitgeistern, aber solchen, die nicht aufgestiegen sind bis zum Zeitgeist, sondern zurückgeblieben sind auf der Archangeloistufe. Sie hätten Archai werden sollen im normalen Entwickelungsgange, sind aber auf der Archangeloistufe zurückgeblieben. Das heißt, sie werden im eminentesten Sinne ahrimanisch durchsetzt. Man muß schon ganz richtige Vorstellungen haben von der geistigen Welt, um die volle Bedeutung einer solchen Tatsache ins Auge zu fassen. Wenn mit okkulten Mitteln angestrebt wird, einem einzelnen Volksgeiste die Weltherrschaft zu sichern, dann bedeutet das, daß Wirkungen bis hinein in die geistige Welt erzielt werden sollen, es bedeutet, daß man an die Stelle der berechtigten Herrschaft der Archangeloi über die Toten setzt die unberechtigte Herrschaft der Archangeloi gebliebenen Archai, der unberechtigten Zeitgeister. 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