{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 173c/1917-01-22/p023","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"You need to have a proper idea of the spiritual world in order to comprehend the full significance of a fact such as this. When occult means are used in an endeavour to secure for a single folk spirit the rulership over the whole world, this means that the intention is to influence even the spiritual world. It means that in the place of the legitimate rulership of the dead by the archangeloi, is put the illegitimate rulership by archai who have remained at the stage of the archangeloi and who are, therefore, illegitimate time spirits. With this, ahrimanic immortality is achieved.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture XXIII","site_heading":"Language, the Dead, and Spiritual Evolution","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Es war für gewisse Seelen wirklich schon gelungen, sie abzuschließen von der Welt der Archangeloi, und daher mangelte ihnen das helle, starke Bewußtsein. Leadbeater beobachtete also in seiner Art eben schon den Machinationen solcher Brüderschaften verfallene Seelen. Nur kam er nicht so weit, dasjenige zu beobachten, was nach einer gewissen Zeit aus diesen Seelen wird, denn diese Seelen können keineswegs die ganze Zeit zwischen dem Tode und einer neuen Geburt ohne jene Ingredienzien bleiben, die bei normalen Leben herkommen von der Welt der Archangeloi, sondern sie müssen etwas anderes erhalten. Und sie erhalten wirklich ein Äquivalent, sie werden auch durchsetzt von etwas, aber jetzt wovon? Sie werden durchsetzt von etwas, was von den auf der Archangeloistufe zurückgebliebenen Archai kommt. Also statt daß sie normalerweise durchsetzt würden von der Substantialität der richtigen Archangeloi, werden sie durchsetzt von Archai, von Zeitgeistern, aber solchen, die nicht aufgestiegen sind bis zum Zeitgeist, sondern zurückgeblieben sind auf der Archangeloistufe. Sie hätten Archai werden sollen im normalen Entwickelungsgange, sind aber auf der Archangeloistufe zurückgeblieben. Das heißt, sie werden im eminentesten Sinne ahrimanisch durchsetzt. Man muß schon ganz richtige Vorstellungen haben von der geistigen Welt, um die volle Bedeutung einer solchen Tatsache ins Auge zu fassen. Wenn mit okkulten Mitteln angestrebt wird, einem einzelnen Volksgeiste die Weltherrschaft zu sichern, dann bedeutet das, daß Wirkungen bis hinein in die geistige Welt erzielt werden sollen, es bedeutet, daß man an die Stelle der berechtigten Herrschaft der Archangeloi über die Toten setzt die unberechtigte Herrschaft der Archangeloi gebliebenen Archai, der unberechtigten Zeitgeister. 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