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So they went off on a side track and said: Yes, you see, there is nothing special to be said from our point of view against what you have just said today, except this: When we speak, we speak in such a way that everyone can understand what we are saying. They also speak of Christianity, but only for those who have reached a certain level of education or have specially prepared themselves for this kind of thing. “I replied: Yes, you see, Reverend, what you or I think about the question of what should be said to all people is not the point, because that leads the whole topic down the path of personal opinion. It is not particularly remarkable that everyone believes that what they do is universally valid for all people. Why should one be surprised at that; otherwise they would not do it! But what you or I think is right is not the point. Our way of doing research on the spirit begins with rising above personal opinion and facing reality, true reality. In our case, this reality is very close. It lies simply in the answer to the question: Do all the people for whom you believe you speak – you do believe you speak for all people, don't you? – still come to church with you? The question answers a fact – the question of whether you think you speak for all people. That it should apply to all people is only your opinion; the other corresponds only to a fact. Tell me whether all people go to church! — They could not answer me except that a number of people do not go to church. That","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Ninth Lecture","site_heading":"Soul's Independence and Spiritual Science's Defense Against Slander","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und aus ihren Worten ging klar hervor, daß sie eigentlich aus ihrer christlichen Lehre, so wie sie sie auffaßten, wie sie sie als Theologen kannten - vielleicht nicht so sehr als auf irgendwelche Dinge hin verpflichtete Priester, sondern als Theologen kannten —, nichts Besonderes einwenden konnten. So begaben sie sich denn auf einen Seitenweg und sagten: Ja, sehen Sie, es ist ja nichts Besonderes zu sagen von unserem Standpunkte aus gegen das, was Sie gerade heute vorgebracht haben, als dieses: Wenn wir reden, dann reden wir so, daß jeder auffassen kann, was wir sagen. Sie reden allerdings auch vom Christentum, aber nur für diejenigen, die einen gewissen Bildungsgrad erreicht haben oder sich besonders für diese Art vorbereitet haben. — Ich erwiderte darauf: Ja, sehen Sie, Hochwürden, darauf kommt es nicht an, was Sie oder ich denken über die Frage, was zu allen Menschen gesprochen werden soll, denn das führt das ganze Thema auf den Abweg der persönlichen Meinung. Es ist gar nicht besonders wunderbar, daß ein jeder von dem, was er treibt, glaubt, daß es allgemein-menschlich gültig ist. Warum sollte man sich denn darüber wundern; sonst würde er es ja nicht treiben! Aber darauf kommt es eben nicht an, was Sie oder ich denken, daß es richtig ist. Unsere Art, über den Geist zu forschen, fängt damit erst an, daß wir uns erheben über diese persönliche Meinung, und die Wirklichkeit, die wahre Wirklichkeit ins Auge fassen. In unserem Falle liegt diese Wirklichkeit sehr nahe. Sie liegt einfach in der Antwort auf die Frage: Kommen heute alle Leute, für die Sie zu reden glauben — Sie glauben ja für alle Leute zu reden -, noch zu Ihnen in die Kirche? Die Frage beantwortet eine Tatsache — die Frage, ob Sie meinen, daß Sie für alle Leute reden. Daß das allen Leuten gelten soll, das entspricht nur Ihrer Meinung; das andere entspricht nur einer Tatsache. 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