{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 174b/1917-05-11/p017","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The urge not only to be logical, but to be realistic, that is, to form one's judgment not only according to abstract logic, but by immersing oneself in reality, this urge is possessed by few in our present time. Many strive to be logical, but only after going behind logic a certain way is it possible to see the scope of logic itself; otherwise one does not even realize what confusion one can create with such very consistent judgments. You see, it is logical to be always consistent with one's own judgment or consistent with someone else's judgment, but it can lead to rather strange collisions. Charles V, the Austrian, and the French king Francis I came to the same conclusion. They were, so to speak, in complete agreement with regard to a certain idea that they wanted to realize. Francis said: “My dear brother wants exactly the same as I do. We both want exactly the same thing. — They both wanted to conquer Milan! Yes, you see, you notice it — namely when you say the postscript. But that such judgments are swarming around and dominate precisely contemporary thinking, to the detriment of this present, few in the present have the inclination to even think of it.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Ninth Lecture","site_heading":"Soul's Independence and Spiritual Science's Defense Against Slander","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Zum gleichen Gedanken kamen Karl V., der Österreicher, und der französische König Franz I. Sie waren gewissermaßen völlig einverstanden mit Bezug auf einen bestimmten Gedanken, den sie verwirklichen wollten. Franz sagte: Mein lieber Bruder will ja ganz genau dasselbe wie ich. Wir beide wollen genau dasselbe. — Sie wollten nämlich beide Mailand erobern! Ja, sehen Sie, da merkt man es — nämlich wenn man den Nachsatz sagt. 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