{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 178/1917-11-18/p005","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"A week ago the case was presented here of the lady who left a social gathering and ran in front of some horses but then was prevented from jumping into a river and was carried back to the house from which she had fled. There she was brought together with the master of the house, because in some unclear, subconscious way she was in love with this man. In this case it may not be said that the spirit, which did not belong to this lady's consciousness, this spirit that pushed and led her, is an unconscious spirit or that it is an unconscious soul quality. Indeed, it is something extremely conscious. The consciousness of this demonic spirit that led the lady back to her unlawful lover, this demon is indeed much shrewder in its consciousness than the lady is in her muddle-headedness, that is to say her consciousness. When the human being in any way crosses the threshold of his consciousness, these spirits that become active and powerful are not unconscious spirits. Such spirits become consciously active and powerful in their own right. The expression, “unconscious spirit,” as the psychoanalysts use it, has no sense whatsoever. If I were to speak merely from my own viewpoint, I could just as well say that the whole illustrious company sitting here is my unconscious if I were unfamiliar with it. Just as little may we describe as unconscious the spiritual beings that surround us and that take hold of the personality under particular conditions, as was the situation in this case that I related a week ago. They are subconscious; they are not actually grasped by the consciousness that lives directly within us, but in themselves they are fully conscious.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"10. 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Wenn wir also hier vor acht Tagen den Fall jener Dame angeführt haben, welche aus einer Gesellschaft herausgeht, dann vor den Pferden einherläuft, abgehalten wird in einen Fluß zu springen, dann zurückgetragen wird in das Haus, von dem sie gekommen ist, um dort mit dem Hausherrn zusammengebracht zu werden, weil sie den Hausherrn in irgendeiner ihr unklaren, unterbewußten Weise liebt, dann darf nicht gesagt werden, daß der Geist, der nicht dem Bewußtsein dieser Dame angehört, der sie drängt und führt, ein unbewußter Geist sei, oder daß er ein unbewußtes Seelisches sei: der ist etwas sehr Bewußtes. Die Bewußtheit dieses dämonischen Geistes, der diese Dame wiederum zurückführt zu dem unrechtmäßig Geliebten, dieser Dämon ist sogar viel gescheiter in seinem Bewußtsein als die Dame in ihrem Oberstübchen — wollte sagen: Bewußtsein — eigentlich ist. Und diese Geister, wenn der Mensch in irgendeiner Weise die Schwelle seines Bewußtseins überschreitet, diese Geister, die da regsam, wirksam werden, das sind nicht unbewußte Geister, das sind solche Geister, die sehr gut für sich bewußt regsam, wirksam werden. Das Wort unbewußter Geist, wie es die Psychoanalytiker brauchen, hat gar keinen Sinn; denn ebensogut könnte ich, wenn ich bloß von mir aus sprechen würde, von der ganzen erlauchten Versammlung, die hier sitzt, sagen, sie ist mein Unbewußtes, wenn ich nichts davon weiß. Ebensowenig darf man die geistigen Wesenheiten, die um uns sind und die in einem solchen Falle erfassen die Persönlichkeit, wie in dem Fall, den ich Ihnen vor acht Tagen erzählte, ebensowenig dürfen wir diese unbewußte Geister nennen. 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