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This means that dead people have been created who would not leave the earthly sphere but would remain on earth. If the right preparations have been made, they can be retained in the lodges. In this way, therefore, lodges have been created that contain the living as well as the dead, but dead who are related to earthly forces.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"10. Individual Spirit Beings and the Undivided Foundation of the World: Part 1","site_heading":null,"date":"1917-11-18","location":null,"word_count":182,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/178/1917-11-18/p019","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Gilbert Church and Alice Wulsin","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/ReapChrist/19171118p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/178/1917-11-18/p019"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/178/1917-11-18/p019","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. 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Also man hat auf diese Weise Logen geschaffen, welche Lebende enthalten und auch Tote, aber Tote, welche verwandt worden sind den Erdenkräften.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":114,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/178/1917-11-18/p019"},{"locus":"GA 178/1917-11-18/p020","passage_number":20,"text":"Nun dirigiert man die Sache so, daß diese Menschen hier Sitzungen abhalten, oder auf solch einem Wege, wie es bei Veranstaltungen der spiritistischen Sitzungen im Laufe der zweiten Hälfte des 19. Jahrhunderts war, von denen ich öfter gesprochen habe. Dann kann es vorkommen - ich bitte Sie, das zu berücksichtigen -, daß dasjenige, was hier in diesen Sitzungen geschieht, dirigiert wird von der Loge aus mit Hilfe der Toten. Aber nach den eigentlichen Intentionen der Meister, die in jenen Logen sind, sollen die Menschen nicht wissen, daß sie es mit Toten zu tun haben, sondern glauben, daß sie es einfach mit höheren Naturkräften zu tun haben. Man will den Leuten beibringen, das seien höhere Naturkräfte: Psychismus und dergleichen, bloß höhere Naturkräfte. Man will ihnen den eigentlichen Seelenbegriff nehmen und sagen: Wie es Elektrizität, wie es Magnetismus gibt, so gibt es auch solche höhere Kräfte. Daß das von Seelen kommt, das kaschieren gerade diejenigen, die in der Loge führend sind. Dadurch aber werden die andern, die harmlosen Seelen, ganz abhängig nach und nach, seelisch abhängig von der Loge, ohne daß sie wissen, wovon sie abhängig sind, woher sie eigentlich dirigiert werden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":190,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/178/1917-11-18/p020"}],"english":["GA 178/1917-11-18/p018","GA 178/1917-11-18/p019"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":304,"en_words":251,"ratio":0.83,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.01,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7784,"original_word_count":7738,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Gilbert Church and Alice Wulsin","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/ReapChrist/19171118p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"entity_parity":{"status":"ok","checked_against":["GA 178/1917-11-18/p019","GA 178/1917-11-18/p020"],"missing_from_translation":[],"present_only_in_translation":[],"bead_confidence":"high","note":"Every load-bearing name in the German counterpart appears in this English passage. 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