{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 178/1917-11-18/p029","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Countering this are brotherhoods of the East, especially Indian brotherhoods, who wish no less significantly to interfere in the evolution of humanity. These Indian brotherhoods pursue yet another goal. They have never developed the type of esotericism through which they could ensnare the dead into their realm, into the realm of the lodges. That is far removed from their purposes; they have no interest in such things. On the other hand, they also do not wish the Mystery of the Golgotha with its impulse to take hold of the evolution of humanity. They also do not wish this. It is not, however, that they do not wish it because the dead are at their disposal, as I indicated is the case with the brotherhoods of the West. They wish to fight against the Christ, Who will enter human evolution as an etheric individuality in the course of the twentieth century, not by substituting another individuality; for that purpose they would need the dead and these they do not have. Instead they wish to divert the interest away from this Christ. They do not wish to allow Christianity to become strong, these brotherhoods of the East, especially the Indian brotherhoods. They do not wish the interest in the true Christ, Who has passed through the Mystery of Golgotha, to flourish, the interest in the Christ Who had only a single incarnation for three years here on earth and Who cannot appear again on earth in a physical incarnation. They do not wish to make use of the dead in their lodges but something other than what were once simply living human beings. In these Indian, Eastern lodges, a different type of being is made use of in place of the dead used by the Western lodges.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"10. 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Diese indischen Brüderschaften wiederum, die verfolgen ein anderes Ziel; sie haben niemals eine Esoterik entwickelt, diese indischen Brüderschaften, durch die sie Tote in ihren Bereich, in den Bereich ihrer Logen etwa hereinbringen würden; das liegt ihnen fern, solche Dinge wollen sie nicht. Aber sie wollen auf der andern Seite auch nicht, daß das Mysterium von Golgatha mit seinem Impuls die Entwickelung der Menschheit ergreife. Das wollen sie auch nicht. Sie wollen aber nicht, weil ihnen die Toten nicht in der Weise zur Verfügung stehen, wie ich das bei den westlichen Brüderschaften angedeutet habe, sie wollen den Christus — der ja als ätherische Individualität im Laufe des 20. Jahrhunderts in die Menschheitsentwickelung eintreten wird — nicht bekämpfen durch Aufstellen einer andern Individualität; dazu brauchten sie die Toten, und die haben sie nicht, dagegen wollen sie das Interesse ablenken von diesem Christus; sie wollen nicht hochkommen lassen das Christentum, diese östlichen Brüderschaften, namentlich die indischen. Sie wollen nicht das Interesse für den wirklichen, durch das Mysterium von Golgatha gegangenen Christus hochkommen lassen, der in einer einmaligen Inkarnation hier auf der Erde war drei Jahre lang und der dann nicht mehr in einer Inkarnation auf die Erde kommen kann. Tote wollen diese in ihren Logen nicht benutzen, aber doch auch etwas anderes als bloß das, was sie selber sind als lebende Menschen. 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