{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 182/1918-02-10/p027","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"We have not always sufficiently deep or delicate perceptions in regard to the experiences of the soul on the physical plane. When friends die, we mourn and feel pain. When good friends in the Society have passed away, I have often said that it is not the task of Anthroposophy to offer people shallow consolation for their pain or try to talk them out of their sorrow. Sorrow is justified; one should grow strong to bear it, not let oneself be talked out of it. In regard to the pain and the sorrow, people make no distinction as to whether it is caused by the death of a child or of an older person. Spiritually perceived, there is a great, great difference. When little children have died the pain of those who have remained behind is really a kind of compassion—no matter whether such children were their own or other children whom they loved. Children remain together with us and because we have been united with them they convey their pain to our souls; we feel their pain—that they would fain still be here! Their pain is eased when we bear it with them. The child feels in us. It is good when a child can share his feeling with us; his pain is thereby relieved.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"The Dead are with Us","site_heading":null,"date":"1918-02-10","location":null,"word_count":216,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/182/1918-02-10/p027","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"D. S. 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Aber man unterscheidet mit Bezug auf den Schmerz nicht danach, ob man diesen Schmerz über den Hingang Jung Verstorbener oder den Hingang älterer Menschen hat. Und dennoch, geistig angesehen ist da ein großer, großer Unterschied. Man kann sagen: Derjenige, der hier als Hinterbliebener ist, hat mit Bezug auf Kinder, die ihm hinweggestorben sind, seien es seine eigenen oder solche, die er sonst geliebt hat, er hat, wenn ich es technisch sozusagen ausdrücken darf, einen gewissen Mitgefühlsschmerz. - Kinder bleiben eigentlich bei uns, und dadurch, daß wir mit ihnen verbunden waren, bleiben sie uns so nahe, übertragen sie ihren Schmerz auf unsere Seelen, und wir fühlen ihren Schmerz, daß sie noch gerne da wären. Dadurch wird ihnen der Schmerz leichter, daß wir ihn mittragen. Eigentlich fühlt das Kind in uns. Es ist gut, wenn es mit uns fühlen kann, dadurch wird ihm sein Schmerz erleichtert. Dagegen kann man den Schmerz, den wir empfinden, wenn ältere Menschen dahinsterben, seien es die Eltern oder auch Freunde, einen egoistischen Schmerz nennen. Der älter Gestorbene, der verliert uns nicht, er hat daher auch nicht das Gefühl, das der jung Verstorbene hat. Er behält uns, er verliert uns nicht. Wir hier im Leibe, wir haben das Gefühl, daß wir ihn verloren haben; daher geht der Schmerz nur uns an. Es ist ein egoistischer Schmerz. 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