{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 182/1918-02-10/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Just such a matter as this can show us the great significance of knowledge of the spiritual world. For you see, Divine Service for the Dead can be adjusted in accordance with these truths. In the case of a child who has died, it will not be altogether appropriate to emphasise the specifically individual aspect. Because the child, as we saw, lives on in us and remains with us, it is good that the service of remembrance should take a more universal form, giving the child, who is still living with us, something that is wide and universal. Therefore, in the case of a child, ceremonial in the service for the Dead is preferable to a specific funeral oration. The Catholic ritual is better here in one respect, the Protestant in the other. The Catholic service includes no funeral oration but consists in ceremony, in rite. It is general, universal; and it is alike for all. And what can be alike for all is especially good for children. In the case of one who has died in later years, the individual aspect is more important. The best funeral service here will be one in which the life of the individual is remembered. The Protestant service, with the oration referring to the life of the one who has died, will have great significance for the soul; the Catholic ritual will mean less in such a case. The same distinction holds good for all our thought about the dead. For the child it is best when we enter into a mood where we feel bound up with him; we try to turn our thoughts to him, and these thoughts will then draw near to him when we go to sleep. Such thoughts may be of a more general kind—such for example as may be directed to all those who have passed through the Gate of Death. In the case of an older person, we must direct our thoughts of remembrance to him as an individual, thinking about his life on Earth and what we experienced together with him. In order to enter into the right intercourse with an older person it is very important to visualise his being, to make his being come to life in ourselves—not only by remembering things he said which meant a great deal to us but by thinking of what he was as an individual and what his value was for the world. If we make these things inwardly living, they will enable us to come into connection with an older person who-has died and to have the right thoughts of remembrance for him. So you see, for the unfolding of true piety it is important to know what attitude should be taken to those who have died early and to those who have died in the later years of life.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"The Dead are with Us","site_heading":null,"date":"1918-02-10","location":null,"word_count":474,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/182/1918-02-10/p030","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"D. S. 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Ich möchte sagen, auf die beiden Konfessionen, katholische und protestantische, verteilt sich da je nachdem das Bessere. Der Katholizismus hat nicht die eigentliche Leichenrede, sondern ein Trauerzeremoniell, einen Ritus. Das ist etwas Allgemeines, das ist für alle gleich. Dasjenige nun, was für alle gleich sein kann, ist besonders für Kinder gut; wenn wir das Andenken überhaupt so einrichten können, daß es für alle gleich sein kann. Für den älter Gestorbenen ist das Individuelle bedeutsamer. Bei den älter Gestorbenen wird das beste Trauerzeremoniell das sein, wenn wir geradezu sein Leben betrachten. Das Protestantische, die besondere Leichenrede, die sich auf das Leben des Toten bezieht, wird große Bedeutung haben für den Hingestorbenen; da würde der katholische Ritus weniger Bedeutung haben. Aber auch sonst im Andenken an den Toten: Für das Kind ist es am besten, man versetzt sich in eine Stimmung, wo man verbunden ist mit dem Kinde; dann versucht man Gedanken an das Kind zu richten, die dann zu ihm hinziehen werden beim Einschlafen. Diese Gedanken können mehr allgemein gehalten sein, also zum Beispiel Dinge, die mehr oder weniger an alle Toten gerichtet werden können. Bei Älteren, da ist es schon notwendig, daß man im Andenken an diesen speziellen Menschen sich richtet, daß man also individuell an diesen speziellen Menschen sich richtet und nachdenkt über dasjenige, was ihm nahegelegen hat, was man mit ihm gemeinschaftlich durchlebt hat. Namentlich ist es von großer Bedeutung bei einem älteren Menschen, um mit ihm in den richtigen Verkehr zu kommen, sich sein Wesen zu vergegenwärtigen, sein Wesen in einem selbst lebendig zu machen. Also nicht bloß, daß man sich erinnert an das, was er einem gesagt hat und wofür man besonderes Gefühl hatte, sondern was er als Individualität war, was er wert war für die Welt: das in sich rege zu machen, das wird einen befähigen, zu einem älteren Verstorbenen in Beziehung zu kommen und das richtige Andenken zu haben. Sie sehen also: Für die Pietät, die wir entwickeln, hat es Bedeutung, zu wissen, wie man sich verhalten muß zu jüngeren und älteren Verstorbenen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":452,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/182/1918-02-10/p030"}],"english":["GA 182/1918-02-10/p030"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":452,"en_words":474,"ratio":1.05,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.97,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7530,"original_word_count":7780,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"D. S. 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