{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 183/1918-08-26/p025","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"What indeed with the ordinary consciousness you refer to as your arms, hands, legs and feet, are not your arms, hands, legs and feet at all, but what as blood and other juices fills out the real arms, hands, feet and legs. This again is a difficult idea but it is true. Suppose that here you have arms, hands, feet and legs, but that what is here is spiritual, spiritual forces. Now please to think that your arms, hands, legs and feet are forces—super-sensible forces. Had you these alone you would not see them with your eyes; they are filled out, these forces, with juices, with the blood, and you see what as mineral substance, fluid or partly solid—the smallest part solid—fills out what is invisible (hatching in diagram 9). What you leave in the grave or what is burnt is only what might be called the mineral enclosure. Your arms and hands, legs and feet are not visible, they are forces and you take them with you, you take the forms with you. You say: I have hands and feet. Anyone who sees into the spiritual world does not say: I have hands and feet, he says; there are spirits of form, Elohim, they think cosmic thoughts, and their thoughts are my arms and hands, my legs and feet; and their thoughts are filled out with blood and other fluids. But neither are blood and the other fluids what they appear physically; these again are the ideas of spirits of wisdom, and what the physicist calls matter is only outer semblance. The physicist ought to say when he comes to matter: here I come to the thoughts of the spirits of wisdom, the Kyriotetes. And where you see arms, hands, feet, legs, you cannot touch them but should say: here the spirits of form are building into these shapes their cosmic thoughts.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"The Threefold Sun and Human Metamorphosis Across Incarnations","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Ihre Arme und Hände, Ihre Beine und Füße sind nicht sichtbare Füße und so weiter, sie sind Kräfte, und diese nehmen Sie mit. Die Formen nehmen Sie mit. Sie sagen: Ich habe Hände und Füße. - Derjenige, der in die geistigen Welten hineinsieht, der sagt nicht: Ich habe Hände und Füße -, sondern er sagt: Es gibt Geister der Form, Elohim, die denken kosmisch, und deren Gedanken sind meine Arme und Hände und Beine und Füße; und deren Gedanken sind mit Blut und andern Säften ausgefüllt. - Aber Blut und andere Säfte sind auch wiederum nicht das, als was sie im Physischen erscheinen; diese Stofle sind wiederum die Vorstellungen der Geister der Weisheit, und dasjenige, was der Physiker Stoff nennt, das ist nur der äußere Schein. Wo der Physiker den Stoff hinsetzt, müßte er sagen: Da stoße ich auf einen Gedanken der Geister der Weisheit, der Kyriotetes. Und wo Sie Arme und Hände, Beine und Füße sehen, da können Sie nicht einmal darauf stoßen, da müssen Sie sagen: Hier bilden die kosmischen Gedanken der Geister der Form meine Formen. — Kurz, so sonderbar das klingt: Ihren Körper gibt es ja gar nicht, sondern da, wo im Raume Ihr Körper ist, da leben durcheinander die kosmischen Gedanken der höheren Hierarchien. Und würden Sie nicht der Maja gemäß, sondern richtig sehen, so würden Sie sagen: Hier erstrecken sich herein die kosmischen Gedanken der Exusiai, der Geister der Form, der Elohim. Diese kosmischen Gedanken machen sich mir sichtbar, indem sie ausgefüllt sind mit den kosmischen Gedanken der Geister der Weisheit. Das gibt Arme und Hände, Beine und Füße. Gar nicht steht das da, als was es in der Maja erscheint, vor dem geistigen Blicke, sondern da stehen die kosmischen Gedanken, und diese kosmischen Gedanken ballen sich zusammen, kondensieren sich, schieben sich ineinander, und daher erscheinen sie uns als diese Schattenfigur, als die wir herumgehen, von der wir glauben, daß sie wirklich ist. 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