{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 183/1918-08-26/p034","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"There is sense in speaking of this figure only if we have first spoken of the spiritual as has been done here today; for then we know everything that is working together in these souls, how the higher hierarchies are working together on these souls. There is no sense in speaking of this figure if our gaze is not fixed on the hierarchies. It was thus that they spoke up to the time of the Pythagorean School; and it was from the Pythagorean School that Apollonius learned what I spoke about yesterday and about which I shall be talking further in these next weeks. But then after the eighth pre-Christian century, when the Pythagorean Schools were in their decadence, the possibility of thus speaking was lost. And gradually the concepts that are concrete, that have reality by being related to the higher hierarchies—these concepts have become confused and hazy to people. Thus there has come to them in the place of Angels, Archangels, Archai, Spirits of Form, Spirits of Movement, Spirits of Wisdom, Thrones, instead of all this concrete weaving of the spirit, they arrived at a concept that now played a certain part in the perception of the Greeks—the concept of the pneuma. Everything became hazily confused: Pneuma, universal spirit, this indistinct concept still so loved today by the Pantheists ... spirit, spirit, spirit ... I have often spoken of how the Pantheists place spirit everywhere; that goes back to Greek life. Again this figure is portrayed ... but you can now see how what was once concrete, the fullness of the Godhead, now became an abstract concept—Pneuma. The white is Pneuma, the red physical matter (see diagram 10) if we are considering the evolution of man. The Greeks, however, at least still preserved some perception of this Pneuma, for they always saw something of the aura. Thus, for them, what you can picture in these white branches was always of an auric nature, something really perceptible. There is the great significance of the transition from that constituted Greece to all that was Roman—that the Greeks still in their perception experienced Pneuma as something actual and spiritual, but that the Romans did so no longer. Everything now becomes quite abstract with the Romans, completely abstract; concepts and nothing more. The Romans are the people of abstract concepts.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"The Threefold Sun and Human Metamorphosis Across Incarnations","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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So hat man auch gesprochen bis in die Pythagoräische Schule herein, und aus den Pythagoräischen Schulen hat wiederum Apollonius dasjenige gelernt, wovon ich gestern gesprochen habe, von dem ich in der nächsten Woche weiter sprechen werde. Dann aber, seit dem 8. vorchristlichen Jahrhundert - schon die Pythagoräischen Schulen waren Nachzügler -, hat sich die Möglichkeit, so zu sprechen, verloren. Und allmählich sind die Begriffe, die konkret sind, die wirklich sind, wenn sie sich auf die höheren Hierarchien beziehen, den Leuten konfus geworden, verschwommen geworden. Und so ist ihnen statt der Welt der Engel, Erzengel, Urkräfte, Formen, Bewegungen, Weisheiten, Throne, statt all diesem konkreten Geistweben ist ihnen ein Begriff gekommen, der nun schon in der griechischen Anschauung eine gewisse Rolle spielt: der Begriff des Pneuma, in dem alles durcheinander schwimmt. Pneuma, allgemeiner Geist — dieser verschwommene Begriff, den noch heute die Pantheisten lieben: Geist, Geist, Geist, Geist! Ich habe öfter davon gesprochen, daß die Pantheisten überall den Geist hinsetzen. Aber das geht schon im griechischen Leben auf. Da hat man wieder diese Figur gezeichnet; aber Sie sehen: Was früher konkret war — die Fülle der Gottheiten -, ist zum abstrakten Begriff geworden, ist zum Pneuma geworden. Das Weiße ist das Pneuma, das Rote ist die physische Materie (siehe Zeichnung Seite 114), wenn man die Menschenevolution in Betracht zieht. Aber von diesem Pneuma, von dem haben die Griechen wenigstens noch eine Anschauung gehabt, denn sie haben immerhin noch etwas Aurisches gesehen; so daß also das, was sie sich da in dem weißen Gezweige vorstellten, für sie noch etwas Aurisches, also etwas wirklich Anschauliches war. Das ist die große Bedeutung des Überganges vom Griechentum ins Römertum, daß die Griechen in ihrer Anschauung noch das Pneuma als wirkliches Geistiges erlebt haben, die Römer nicht mehr. Bei den Römern ist es schon ganz abstrakt geworden, vollständige Abstraktion geworden, bloße Begriffe. 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