{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 183/1918-08-26/p035","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"My dear friends, in our days you find in science the same diagram! You can come upon it today in materialistic books on science. You will find the same diagram, exactly the same, as you would have found in the old Mysteries, in the Pythagorean Schools, where everything was still related to the hierarchies. You have it with the Greeks where everything is related to the Pneuma; again today you find it drawn, and we shall see what it has now become. Today the scientist says as he makes this same drawing on the blackboard for his students: in the propagation of the human race the substance of the parents' germ cells passes over to the children; but part of this substance remains so that it can again pass over to the children and and again there remains some of this to pass over anew to the children. And another part of the germ cell substance develops so that it can form the cells of the physical body. You have exactly the same diagram, only the modern scientist sees in the white (see diagram) the continuity of the substance of the germ cell. He says; if we go back to our old human ancestors and take this germ cell substance of both male and female, and then go to present day man and take his, it is still the same stream, the substance is continuous. There always remains in this germ substance something eternal—so the scientist imagines—and only half of the germ plasma goes over into the new body. The scientist has still the same figure but no longer has the pneuma; the white is now for him the material germ substance—nothing is left of soul and spirit, it is just material substance. You can read this today in scientific books, and it is taken as a great and significant discovery. That is the materialising of a higher spiritual perception that has passed through the process of abstraction; in the midst stands the abstract concept. And it is really amusing that a modern scientist has written a book (for those whose thinking is sound, it is amusing) in which he says right out: what the Greeks still represented as Pneuma is today the continuity of the germ substance. Yes, it is foolish, but today it counts for great wisdom.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"The Threefold Sun and Human Metamorphosis Across Incarnations","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Heute sagt der Naturforscher, indem er diese selbe Zeichnung seinen Schülern auf die Tafel zeichnet: Indem das Menschengeschlecht sich fortpflanzt, geht die Keimsubstanz der Eltern über auf die Kinder; ein Teil der Keimsubstanz bleibt aber so erhalten, daß er in der nächsten Generation wiederum auf die Kinder übergehen kann, und von dem bleibt wiederum ein Teil so, daß er wieder auf die Kinder übergehen kann, während ein anderer Teil der Keimsubstanz die Zellen des physischen Leibes bildet. — Sie haben ganz dasselbe Schema, nur sieht der heutige Naturforscher in dem Weißen (siehe Zeichnung) die Kontinuität der Keimsubstanz. Er sagt: Wenn wir zu den alten Menschenvorfahren hinaufgehen und ihre Keimsubstanz nehmen, die männliche und die weibliche Keimsubstanz nehmen, und gehen zu den jetzigen Menschen herunter und nehmen ihre jetzige Keimsubstanz, so ist das ein einziger Strom; die Keimsubstanz ist kontinuierlich. Es bleibt immer in der Keimsubstanz etwas ewig - so stellt es sich der Naturforscher vor - und nur gewissermaßen die Hälfte des Keimplasmas geht über in die andere Körperlichkeit. - Der Naturforscher hat wiederum dieselbe Figur, nur hat er jetzt nicht mehr das Pneuma, sondern das Weiße, das ist ihm jetzt die materielle Keimsubstanz. Es ist nichts Seelisch-Geistiges mehr, es ist ihm die materielle Keimsubstanz. Das können Sie bei den heutigen Naturforschern lesen, das nimmt man heute an als eine große, bedeutsame Enntdeckung. Das ist Materialisierung einer hochgeistigen Vorstellung, indem sie durch die Abstraktion durchgegangen ist; der abstrakte Begriff steht mitten drinnen. 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