{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 183/1918-08-26/p036","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"From this you can, however, see one thing, it is not the drawing that does it! And you will therefore understand why to a certain extent I have always been against drawing diagrams so long as we were still trying to run our Anthroposophy within the Theosophical Society. One had only to enter any theosophical branch and the walls as a rule would be plastered with all manner of diagrams; there were drawings of every possible thing with words attached; there ware whole genealogical trees and every possible kind of sketch. However, my dear friends, these drawings are not important. What matters is that we should really be able to have living conceptions; for the same drawing can represent the soul-spiritual in the flowing of hierarchies, the purely material in the continuous germ-plasm. These things are seen very hazily by modern man. Therefore it is so important to be clear that the Greeks still knew something of the real self in man, of the real spiritual and that it was the Romans who made the transition to the abstract concept. You can see all this in what is external. When the Greek talked about his Gods, he did so in a way that made it quite evident that he was still picturing concrete figures behind these Gods. For the Romans the Gods, in reality, ware only names, only expressions, abstractions and they became abstractions more and more. For Greek a certain idea was ever present that in the man before him the hierarchies were living, that in each man the hierarchies were living a different life. Thus the hierarchies were living differently in every man. The Greek knew the reality of man, and when he said, that is Alcibiades, that is Socrates, or that is Plato, he still had the concept that there in Alcibiades, Socrates or Plato ware rising up, within each in a different way, the cosmic thoughts of the hierarchies. And because the cosmic thoughts arose differently these figures appeared different.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"The Threefold Sun and Human Metamorphosis Across Incarnations","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und Sie werden daraus begreifen, warum ich immer in einer gewissen Weise mich gewendet habe gegen das Aufzeichnen von Schemen, solange wir noch versuchten, unsere Anthroposophie durch die Theosophische Gesellschaft durchzutragen. Man brauchte nur in irgendeinen theosophischen Zweig einzutreten: die Wände waren in der Regel behängt mit allerlei solchen Schemen. Da war alles mögliche aufgezeichnet, da standen dann Worte dabei, und da waren ganze Stammbäume und alles mögliche aufgezeichnet. Aber auf diese Zeichnungen kommt es nicht an, sondern es kommt darauf an, daß man wirklich zu dem lebendigen Vorstellen gehen kann; denn die Zeichnung kann ganz dieselbe sein, ob Sie sie als Ausfluß der Hierarchien, Geistig-Seelisches sich vorstellen, oder ob Sie sich das kontinuierliche Keimplasma, eine reine Materie, vorstellen. Diese Dinge verschwimmen dem heutigen Menschen. Daher ist es so wichtig, sich klar darüber zu sein, wie der Grieche noch etwas gewußt hat von dem realen Selbst im Menschen, von dem realen Geistigen, und wie das beim Römer in den abstrakten Begriff übergegangen ist. Sie können das an Äußerlichkeiten sehen. Indem der Grieche von seinen Göttern redet, redet er so, daß man ganz genau sieht: der Grieche denkt sich noch konkrete Figuren hinter den Göttern. Beim Römer sind die Götter im Grunde nur noch Namen, nur Bezeichnungen, sind Abstraktionen und werden immer mehr Abstraktionen. Beim Griechen war immer noch eine gewisse Vorstellung vorhanden, daß in dem Menschen, der hier steht, die Hierarchien leben, und in jedem Menschen verschieden die Hierarchien leben. 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