{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 183/1918-08-26/p038","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"In the nineteenth century there came something startling. Man himself was entirely lost sight of among all these abstract concepts! The Greeks still had a presentiment of the real man who descends here after being formed and fashioned out of the cosmos; in the time of the Roman empire all knowledge of him was lost. The nineteenth century was needed to rediscover him through all the connections I have been showing you and will go on showing you even more exactly. The discovery of man took place now from the opposite pole. Greece wanted to see man as descending from the hierarchies, divine man; in place of this the Romans set up a series of abstract concepts; the nineteenth century—the eighteenth century too but particularly the nineteenth—was needed to rediscover man from the other side, from his animal side. And he could not be grasped with abstract concepts; this was the great shock. This was the great shock and the deep cleft that arose; what is this actually that stands there on two legs and fidgets with its hands, and eats and drinks all manner of things; what is it? The Greeks still knew, then a change took place when concepts became abstract. Now it comes as something startling to men of the nineteenth century; it stands there and there are no concepts with which to grasp it. It is taken for simply a higher form of animal. On the one hand, in science it produces Darwinism, on the other hand, in the spiritual it brings about socialism which would place man into society as a mere animal. Here is man standing transfixed before himself—what is this thing? And he is powerless to answer the question.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"The Threefold Sun and Human Metamorphosis Across Incarnations","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Unter den abstrakten Begriffen hat man den Menschen vollständig verloren gehabt. Der Grieche ahnte noch etwas von dem wirklichen Menschen, der aus dem Kosmos herein gebildet wird; durch das Römertum hindurch ist der Mensch verlorengegangen. Das 19. Jahrhundert war genötigt, ihn wieder zu entdecken durch alle die Verhältnisse, auf die ich Sie schon hingewiesen habe, auf die ich Sie noch genauer hinweisen werde. Und die Entdeckung des Menschen, die geschah jetzt von dem andern Pol aus. Das Griechentum hat sehen wollen den Menschen, der aus der Hierarchie kommt, den göttlichen Menschen; die Römer haben an die Stelle eine Reihe von abstrakten Begriffen gesetzt; das 19. Jahrhundert, schon das 18. Jahrhundert, aber namentlich das 19. Jahrhundert war genötigt, den Menschen von der andern Seite, von seiner Tierseite aus wieder zu entdecken. Und da konnte er jetzt nicht gefaßt werden mit diesen abstrakten Begriffen. Das war der große Schock. Und das ist der große Schock, das ist die tiefe Kluft, die entsteht: Was ist denn das eigentlich, was da auf zwei Beinen vor uns steht und mit den Händen fuchtelt und allerlei ißt und trinkt, was ist denn das? Die Griechen haben es noch gewußt; dann ist es in abstrakte Begriffe verwandelt worden. Jetzt überrascht es die Menschen im 19. Jahrhundert; da steht es, aber man hat keine Begriffe, es zu fassen. Man faßt es als bloßes höheres Tier auf: es wird auf der einen Seite der Darwinismus, naturwissenschaftlich, auf der andern Seite, im Geistigen, der Sozialismus, der den Menschen nur als Tier in die Sozietät hineinstellen will. 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