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Marx only based himself on the historic evolution of man since the sixteenth century, and here in deed and truth there came into the evolution of mankind an epoch during which over a large part of the world the spiritual life became an expression of the economic conditions, though not exactly as Marx describes it. True, Goetheanism is not to be derived from the economic life; but Goethe was regarded even by these people as a man remote from the economic life.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"II. 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Als ich zum Beispiel einmal über Kunst sprach, wo ich auseinandergesetzt hatte, was Kunst ist und wie Kunst wirkt, schrie plötzlich ganz im Hintergrund eine Dame: Na, und der Verismus, ist der keine Kunst? Also die Leute, die nahmen das nicht so auf Autorität bloß hin. Es handelte sich schon darum, daß man die Wege zu den Leuten fand, nicht etwa durch schlaue Schleichwege, sondern aus dem Wirklichkeits- und Wahrhaftigkeitssinn heraus. Da kam es, daß man sagen mußte, nicht nur sagen konnte, sondern sagen mußte: Ja, aber Ihr seid angefüllt mit solchen Begriffen, die der materialistischen Geschichtsauffassung entsprechen, die da glaubt, daß alles nur von wirtschaftlichen Verhältnissen abhängt und alles geistige Leben nur auf Ideologie beruht, welche die Fata Morgana ist, die sich oben ausbreitet auf Grundlage der wirtschaftlichen Verhältnisse. Und Marx hat es sehr scharfsinnig und geistreich auseinandergesetzt. Aber warum ist das alles geschehen? 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