{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 186/1918-12-14/p044","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"I have explained this to our friends again and again from another aspect. Look at the thought of the Darwinian Materialists. I remember vividly the first occasion—it was in the Munich group—when I tried to make this clear to our friends. Imagine a real, thorough-going follower of Haeckel. He thinks that man has arisen from an apelike beast. Well, let him as a scientist form the concept of an ape-like animal and then let him form the concept of Man. If as yet no man existed and he only had the concept of the ape-like animal, he would certainly never be able to “catch,” out of this concept of the animal, the concept Man. He only believes what [in?] the ape-like creature, because the one proceeded out of the other in reality. Thus in real life men do after all distinguish between the logic of pure concepts and ideas and the logic of things seen. But this distinction must be applied through and through; otherwise we shall never gain an answer to the social and political questions, such as is necessary for the present and the immediate future. If we will not turn to that realistic thinking which I have explained to you once more today, we shall never come to the Goetheanic principle in public life. And that the Goetheanic principle shall enter into the world, this we desired to signalize by erecting, upon this hill, a “Goetheanum.”","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"II. The Logic of Thought and the Logic of Reality","site_heading":null,"date":"1918-12-14","location":null,"word_count":239,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/186/1918-12-14/p044","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"C52","book_title":"The Fundamental Social Demand of Our Times","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA186/English/C52/19181214p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. No translator is established for this lecture: nothing at the level of the lecture names one. Do not attribute this English to a translator, and do not borrow a credit from another lecture of the volume. 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Ich habe gesagt: Man sehe es sich nur an dem Denken der darwinistischen Materialisten an. Ich habe es lebhaft vor mir, wie ich vor vielen Jahren im Münchener Zweig zum erstenmal versuchte — und dann habe ich es oftmals wiederholt -, unsern Freunden klarzumachen: Man versuche nur einmal sich vorzustellen so einen richtigen Haeckelianer. Er denkt, aus einem affenähnlichen Tier ist der Mensch entstanden. Nun soll er als Naturforscher den Begriff des affenähnlichen Tieres sich bilden und dann den Begriff des Menschen. Er würde, wenn noch kein Mensch da wäre und er nur den Begriff des affenähnlichen Tieres hätte, aus seinem Begriff niemals den Begriff des Menschen herausklauben, herausschälen können. Er glaubt nur, daß der Begriff des Menschen aus dem Begriff des Affentieres hervorgehe, weil es in der Wirklichkeit daraus hervorgegangen ist. Im realen Leben unterscheiden die Menschen schon zwischen der reinen Begriftslogik, Vorstellungslogik und der Anschauungslogik. Aber das muß durchgreifen, sonst wird man niemals zu solcher Ordnung der sozialen und politischen Verhältnisse kommen, wie das für die Gegenwart und die nächste Zukunft notwendig ist. Wenn man sich nicht hinwenden will zu dem wirklichkeitsgemäßen Denken, wie ich es Ihnen heute wieder dargestellt habe, so wird man niemals auf öffentlichem Gebiete zum Goetheanismus kommen. Aber daß Goetheanismus in die Welt eintreten möge, das sollte symbolisiert werden dadurch, daß es hier auf diesem Hügel einmal ein Goetheanum gibt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":238,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/186/1918-12-14/p032"}],"english":["GA 186/1918-12-14/p044"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":238,"en_words":239,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.09,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9153,"original_word_count":8380,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"not_established","translator":null,"identified_edition":"C52","book_title":"The Fundamental Social Demand of Our Times","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA186/English/C52/19181214p01.html","evidence":null,"reason":"source_says_translator_unknown","note":"The source page itself says the translator is unknown. 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