{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 188/1919-01-03/p010","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now look—if today you read philosophically inspired writings of well-educated learned Catholic men you will find, in all passages where a certain point comes into question, a quite definite outlook developed; and it may be said that you find this outlook developed try the very best of these scholarly Catholics. In passing I should like to point out that I am not at all in the habit of undervaluing the literary training of the Catholic clergy for example. I quite realise (and I have spoken of this in my book *Vom Menschenrätsel*) the superior schooling shown in the philosophical writings of many Catholic theologians, compared with the writings of those men of philosophical learning who have not made a study of Catholic theology. In this respect one must own that the literature, the theological literature, of protestant learning, of the reformed churches, lags far behind the excellent philosophical training of Catholic theologians. Through their strict schooling these people possess a certain ability to form their concepts really plastically. They have what the famous men of non-Catholic philosophical literature, for instance, have no notion of, that is, a particular faculty of seeing into the nature of a concept, the nature of an idea, and so on. To put it briefly, these people are scholarly. One need not even take one of Haeckel's books, one can take one of Eucken's, to confirm this playing about with concepts, this dreadful treatment of the most important concepts, a treatment merely on the level of a cheap novelette! Or, to give another example, we might take one of Bergson's books that always promote the feeling that he is catching hold of concepts but is unable regally to come to grips with them—like the famous Chinaman who wanting to turn round always catches hold of his pigtail. This absolute confusion in the world of concepts, shown by the people who lack training is never to be found when you come to the philosophical literature of the Catholic Clerics. Thus, for example, in this connection, a book like the three volume *History of Idealism* by Otto Willmann, a thorough going Catholic who makes his Catholicism evident on every opportunity, takes a much higher place than most of what is written in the realm of philosophy on the non-Catholic side. All this may be quite well recognised while still taking the standpoint that must be taken in Spiritual Science. An inferior spirit may decide differently in this matter, may perhaps be of the opinion that because good schooling is shown, the whole thing is of more value.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"I. The Difference Between Man and Animal","site_heading":null,"date":"1919-01-03","location":null,"word_count":429,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/188/1919-01-03/p010","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Violet E. 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Ich kenne sehr gut - ich habe das auch ausgesprochen in meinem Buch «Vom Menschenrätsel» — die bessere Schulung, die gerade manche katholischen Theologen haben, wenn sie philosophisch schreiben, gegenüber den Schreibereien der nicht durch die katholische Theologie gegangenen philosophischen Gelehrten zum Beispiel. In dieser Beziehung, muß man sagen, ist die gelehrte Literatur, die theologische Literatur der protestantischen, der reformierten Geistlichen weit zurück hinter der guten philosophischen Schulung der katholischen Theologen. Diese Leute haben durch ihre strenge Schulung eine gewisse Fähigkeit, ihre Begriffe wirklich plastisch auszubilden; sie haben — was zum Beispiel Menschen, die heute berühmt sind in der nichtkatholischen philosophischen Literatur, nicht einmal als Ahnung haben - eine gewisse Fähigkeit, einzusehen, was ein Begriff ist, was eine Idee ist und dergleichen, kurz, diese Leute haben eine gewisse Schulung. Man braucht nicht einmal ein Buch von Haeckel zu nehmen, man kann ein Buch von Eucken nehmen, um diese Begriffspurzelei festzustellen, diese schreckliche, bloß feuilletonistische Herumrederei über die wichtigsten Begriffe, oder man kann zum Beispiel ein Buch von Bergson nehmen, wo man immer das Gefühl hat: der fängt die Begriffe ab, ohne mit ihnen hantieren zu können, wie der bekannte Chinese, der sich umdrehen will und immer seinen Zopf abfängt. Dieses absolute Taumeln in der Begriffswelt, das bei diesen ungeschulten Leuten der Fall ist, das werden Sie nicht finden, wenn Sie sich einlassen auf die vom katholischen Klerus ausgehende philosophische Literatur, so daß in dieser Beziehung zum Beispiel ein Buch wie die dreibändige «Geschichte des Idealismus» von Otto Willmann, einem waschechten Katholiken, der auf jeder Seite seinen Katholizismus zur Schau trägt, weit höher steht als das meiste, was von nichtkatholischer Seite gerade heute auf philosophischem Gebiete geschrieben wird. Das alles kann man durchaus wissen und dennoch den Standpunkt einnehmen, den man eben als Geisteswissenschafter einnehmen muß. Inferiorität des Geistes mag auf diesem Gebiete anders entscheiden, mag zum Beispiel der Meinung sein: weil da gute Schulung ist, so ist sie überhaupt mehr wert. Nun, das mag sein; aber man kann durchaus sich auch der Objektivität befleißen, wenn man genötigt ist, einen bestimmten Gesichtspunkt im Leben einzunehmen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":411,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/188/1919-01-03/p011"}],"english":["GA 188/1919-01-03/p010"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":411,"en_words":429,"ratio":1.04,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":8259,"original_word_count":7890,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Violet E. 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