{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 191/1919-10-05/p018","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now the Kantians and the physiologists might come and say: There is no relationship between the seal, which may be made of bronze, and that which is made of sealing wax. - Of course, this is all bronze, the other is all sealing wax. Never does something pass from the bronze into the sealing wax and never does something pass from the sealing wax into the bronze. The two are quite different. It is the same with body and soul. One is expressed in the other, but nothing passes from one to the other, each has its own substantiality, and nothing, absolutely nothing, passes from one to the other. And yet, when you have printed, you have “Müller” in the sealing wax and “Müller” on the seal, one and the same. But the mediation did not happen by something very fine coagulating or trickling over from the seal to the sealing wax; that did not happen. Rather, something happened that is neither sealing wax nor bronze, but is the same in both. And that this is precisely 'Müller' is truly connected neither with the bronze nor with all that is in the bronze, but is in the living. That someone has received the name Müller is connected with life; it points to the whole breadth of life. Thus we have the spiritual-soul, and we have the bodily. The spiritual-soul is reflected in the bodily. But that which is the same in both, the spirit, is a whole wide world. But we do not grasp the spirit if we only look at the soul, just as we do not get to know the miller if we only look at the seal. We also do not grasp the spirit if we only look into the material world, just as we cannot recognize the miller if we look at the sealing wax.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Third Lecture","site_heading":"Cosmic Forces and Social Understanding Through Spiritual Thinking","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und dennoch, wenn Sie abgedruckt haben, dann haben Sie da im Siegellack «Müller» stehen und auf dem Petschaft auch «Müller» stehen, ein und dasselbe. Aber die Vermittlung ist nicht dadurch geschehen, daß irgend etwas sehr Feines herübergeronnen oder herübergeträufelt wäre vom Petschaft in den Siegellack; das ist nicht geschehen, sondern es ist etwas geschehen, was weder Siegellack noch Bronze ist, was aber in beiden das gleiche ist. Und daß das gerade «Müller» ist, das hängt wahrlich weder zusammen mit der Bronze noch mit all dem, was da in der Bronze ist, sondern das ist im Lebendigen. Daß irgendeiner den Namen Müller erhalten hat, das hängt mit dem Leben zusammen, das weist hin auf die ganze Breite des Lebens. So haben wir das Geistig-Seelische, so haben wir das Leibliche. Das Geistig-Seelische drückt sich im Leiblichen ab. Aber dasjenige, was da in beiden dasselbe ist, der Geist, das ist eine ganze weite Welt. Aber wir erfassen den Geist nicht, wenn wir bloß immer das Seelische ansehen, geradesowenig wie wir den Müller erkennen lernen, wenn wir nur das Petschaft anschauen. Wir erfassen den Geist auch nicht, wenn wir bloß hineinschauen in die materielle Welt, geradesowenig wie wir den Müller erkennen können, wenn wir auf den Siegellack schauen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":309,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/191/1919-10-05/p018"}],"english":["GA 191/1919-10-05/p018"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":309,"en_words":309,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6474,"original_word_count":6251,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Social Understanding from a Spiritual-Scientific Perspective","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA191/English/SOL2024/19191005p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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