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The difference between the “good” wisdom and the purely Luciferic wisdom—which so far as *content* is concerned is exactly the same—is that the “good” wisdom is in hands other than those of the Luciferic beings. That is the essential point. It is not a question of there being *one* wisdom that can be neatly packed away in some chamber of the soul and make a man virtuous! The wisdom of worlds is uniform, the only difference being whether it is in the hands of wise men who use it for good, whether it is in the hands of the Angeloi or Archangeloi, or whether it is in the hands of Lucifer and his hosts. In olden times the wisdom needed for the progress of humanity could be obtained only from a Luciferic source; hence the Initiates were obliged to receive it from that source and at the same time to take upon themselves the obligation not to yield to the aspirations of the Luciferic beings.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Lucifer and Ahriman: Wisdom's Cosmic Struggle","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1919-11-15","location":null,"word_count":276,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/191/1919-11-15/p008","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Dorothy S. 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Da mußte der Mensch vor allen Dingen auf sich nehmen — man könnte es Verpflichtung nennen, obwohl natürlich solche Worte nicht immer ganz genau das Wesen der Sache ausdrücken können diese luziferische Weisheit, die ja Weltenweisheit ist, [im Dienste der Erdenentwickelung als gute Weisheit zu gebrauchen]. Der Unterschied zwischen der guten Weisheit und der luziferischen Weisheit besteht ja darin, daß die gute Weisheit in anderen Händen ist, und die luziferische Weisheit, die inhaltlich dieselbe ist, in luziferischen Händen; der Inhalt ist ganz derselbe. Das ist dasjenige, um was es sich handelt. Es handelt sich nicht darum, daß es eine Weisheit gibt, die man sich so hübsch in seine Seelenkammer einpökeln kann, damit man dann dadurch ein guter Mensch wird, sondern es handelt sich darum, daß die Weisheit zwar eine einheitliche ist in der Welt, daß der Unterschied nur der ist, daß sie zum Beispiel in den Händen der weisen Menschen, die sie gut verwalten, oder in den Händen der Angeloi, Archangeloi und so weiter, oder aber in den Händen Luzifers sein kann. Von anderer Seite her war in den alten Zeiten für den Menschheitsfortschritt die Weisheit nicht zu erlangen. So mußten die Eingeweihten der alten Zeiten sie aus den luziferischen Händen entgegennehmen, und sie mußten eben die Verpflichtung eingehen, nicht den anderen Aspirationen der luziferischen Wesenheiten zu verfallen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":329,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/191/1919-11-15/p006"}],"english":["GA 191/1919-11-15/p008"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":329,"en_words":276,"ratio":0.84,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.89,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4648,"original_word_count":5223,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Dorothy S. 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