{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 196/1920-02-08/p017","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Whether or not social demands arise is not open to discussion, just as it is not open to discussion whether or not an earthquake will occur in a particular region. But how we should relate to such phenomena is open to discussion. No one will be able to gain a proper perspective on such phenomena without a sense of humanity, as indicated above. This is something with which one must penetrate oneself very deeply. And whether the life of the civilized European world will be able to continue or not will depend on whether there will be a sufficiently large number of people who see through the impossibility of a further world regiment that is particularly influenced by such people out of touch with reality as Lloyd George is. You all know that I am not speaking from some kind of jingoistic point of view, from some particular side, but I am speaking from a purely objective point of view, from the observation of objective facts. I have never had anything against Woodrow Wilson or Lloyd George as a German, as a so-called German. Compared to other people today, even Lloyd George is a “great guy”. But he is a man who remains a twenty-seven-year-old, who is incapable of assimilating that which one can only assimilate when the descending evolution takes hold, when one has passed beyond the thirties. For the dried-up European bodies, which do not want to turn to absorb something spiritual, lose the possibility of development in their thirties. They may be members of parliament, even as accomplished and as exceptionally good a member of parliament as Lloyd George, who, as is well known, carried out quite admirable reforms when he was made a minister. Isn't it true that this is what you do to opposition politicians: you take them into the ministry so that they don't cause a nuisance in parliament? At a certain moment in England Lloyd George was also made a minister, at first because they did not want him in the opposition; but he was made a minister by being given a department about which he knew nothing. That is the usual way of dealing with dangerous parliamentarians. And lo and behold, when Lloyd George was given the department he understood nothing about, he developed a feverish activity, introduced reforms that are truly admirable, and the others stood there with long noses.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Twelfth Lecture","site_heading":"Consciousness Evolution: Atlantean Divergence and Christian Incarnation","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Und ob das Leben der zivilisierten europäischen Welt wird weitergehen können oder nicht, das wird davon abhängen, ob es eine genügend große Anzahl von Menschen geben wird, welche durchschauen die Unmöglichkeit eines weiteren Weltregimentes, das besonders beeinflußt wird von solchen wirklichkeitstremden Menschen, wie Lloyd George einer ist. Sie wissen alle, ich rede ja nicht von irgendeinem chauvinistischen Standpunkte, von irgendeiner bestimmten Seite her, sondern ich rede von einem rein sachlichen, aus der Beobachtung der objektiven Tatsachen fließenden Gesichtspunkt. Ich habe wahrhaftig niemals irgend etwas als Deutscher, als sogenannter Deutscher, gegen Woodrow Wilson oder Lloyd George gehabt. Verglichen mit andern Menschen heute, ist sogar Lloyd George ein «Prachtskerl». Aber er ist eben ein Siebenundzwanzigjährig-Bleibender als Mensch, der nicht imstande ist, dasjenige in sich aufzunehmen, was man erst aufnehmen kann, wenn die absteigende Entwickelung Platz greift, wenn man also über die Dreißigerjahre hinausgekommen ist. Denn die vertrockneten europäischen Leiber, die nicht sich hinwenden wollen zur Aufnahme von etwas Geistigem, verlieren die Entwickelungsmöglichkeit in den Dreißigerjahren. Sie können dann Parlamentarier sein, sogar so unendlich versierte, so außerordentlich gute Parlamentarier wie Lloyd George, der ja bekanntlich, als man ihn zum Minister machte, ganz bewundernswürdige Reformen durchführte. Nicht wahr, man macht das den Oppositionsmenschen gegenüber so: Man nimmt sie, damit sie draußen im Parlament nicht unbequem werden, ins Ministerium hinein. Im gegebenen Momente machte man in England auch Lloyd George zum Minister, zunächst aus dem Grunde, weil man ihn nicht zur Opposition haben wollte; aber zum Minister machte man ihn, indem man sagte: Man gibt ihm das Ressort, von dem er gar nichts versteht. Das ist ja die gewöhnliche Art, gefährliche Parlamentarier zu behandeln. Und siehe da, als man Lloyd George das Ressort gegeben hatte, von dem er gar nichts verstand, da entwickelte er eine fieberhafte Tätigkeit, führte Reformen ein, die wirklich bewundernswert sind, und die andern standen da mit langen Nasen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":374,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/196/1920-02-08/p017"}],"english":["GA 196/1920-02-08/p017"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":374,"en_words":399,"ratio":1.07,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.03,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5473,"original_word_count":5331,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Spiritual and Social Changes in the Development of Humanity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA196/English/SOL2024/19200208p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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