{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 196/1920-02-08/p019","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"For decades I have said this again and again in the most diverse forms. But the fact that one now knows that man consists of this and this, that there are repeated earth lives and so on, is therefore considered the main thing over wide circles. — But that is not the main thing. The main thing is that through this whole way of thinking something is grasped in man that cannot be grasped by anything else in man. And that which is grasped in this way by the human being must be there. If it is not there, then all the well-meaning people who say, for example, “There must always be a Christianity,” will achieve nothing. For just as you cannot extract magnetism from a non-magnetic piece of iron, so you cannot, if nothing else occurs, extract a Christianity from what becomes of Europeans. It can remain traditional for a time, but people will accept the tradition out of dishonesty. What is needed is for something to be touched in the souls that will lead to a new understanding of the mystery of Golgotha, and with that, to a new understanding of all of Christianity. In ancient pre-Christian times, as I have already mentioned today, there was a widespread, magnificent, admirable primeval wisdom, and anyone who wants to admire pagan wisdom is right to do so. And anyone who wants to admire pagan wisdom even in those times when it already echoes Christian wisdom is even more right to do so. The first Christian fathers were actually wiser, much wiser than their present-day successors. Their present-day successors forbid the reading of the anthroposophical writings. As you know, Catholics have been forbidden to do so by the decree of the Congregation of the Holy Office in Rome since July 18, 1919. But the first Christian church fathers said: That which is now called Christianity was always there, only in a different form, and Heraclitus and Socrates and Plato were, in their own way, Christians before the Mystery of Golgotha. This is, of course, an extremely heretical remark for today's members of the Roman Index Congregation, even though it comes from genuine church fathers, very heretical! And yet it must be said: something is being decided. This decree of the Congregation of the Index in Rome, that the reading of anthroposophical books is to be forbidden for Catholics, is actually the right consequence of the development of Roman Catholicism, the development of the Roman Catholic Church, and one must realize that a new spiritual current must come that understands Christianity anew.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Twelfth Lecture","site_heading":"Consciousness Evolution: Atlantean Divergence and Christian Incarnation","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Denn ebensowenig wie Sie aus einem nichtmagnetischen Stück Eisen Magnetismus herausgewinnen können, ebensowenig können Sie, wenn nichts anderes eintritt, aus dem, was aus den Europäern wird, ein Christentum herausschlagen. Das kann traditionell bleiben eine Zeitlang; aber die Leute werden aus Unwahrhaftigkeit die Tradition annehmen. Worum es sich handelt, ist, daß etwas in den Seelen ergriffen werden muß, was zu einem neuen Verständnis des Mysteriums von Golgatha führt, und damit zu einem neuen Verständnis des ganzen Christentums. Es hat im Altertum der vorchristlichen Zeit, wie ich heute auch schon erwähnt habe, eine ausgebreitete, großartige, bewundernswürdige Urweisheit gegeben, und wer die heidnische Weisheit bewundern will, der tut recht, und wer die heidnische Weisheit auch in den Zeiten bewundern will, in denen sie bereits anklingt an das Christliche, der tut noch mehr recht. Die ersten christlichen Kirchenväter waren eigentlich gescheiter, viel gescheiter als ihre jetzigen Nachfolger. Ihre jetzigen Nachfolger verbieten das Lesen der anthroposophischen Schriften. Wie Sie wissen, ist es den Katholiken verboten durch die Verfügung der Kongregation des Heiligen Offiziums in Rom seit dem 18. Juli 1919. Die ersten christlichen Kirchenväter aber haben gesagt: Das, was man jetzt Christentum nennt, war immer da, nur in anderer Form, und Heraklit und Sokrates und Plato waren vor dem Mysterium von Golgatha in ihrer Art Christen. - Das ist natürlich für die heutigen Mitglieder der römischen Index-Kongregation eine außerordentlich ketzerische Bemerkung, trotzdem sie von echten Kirchenvätern herrührt, sehr ketzerisch! Und dennoch muß man sagen: Es entscheidet sich etwas. Diese Verfügung der römischen Index-Kongregation, das Lesen der anthroposophischen Bücher sei für die Katholiken zu verbieten, ist eigentlich die richtige Konsequenz der römisch-katholischen Entwickelung, der Entwickelung der römisch-katholischen Kirche, und man muß einsehen, daß eben eine neue Geistesströmung kommen muß, die das Christentum neu begreift.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":401,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/196/1920-02-08/p019"}],"english":["GA 196/1920-02-08/p019"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":401,"en_words":430,"ratio":1.07,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.03,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5473,"original_word_count":5331,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Spiritual and Social Changes in the Development of Humanity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA196/English/SOL2024/19200208p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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