{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 198/1920-07-10/p012","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"So on the one hand we have this fact: that through the world of ideas we dampen the etheric surge of the sense qualities. What is the broader context of this? It is connected with the fact that the world of ideas that we experience as human beings between birth and death, as rising up from within, does not appear in its true form. People cannot see through this, that the ideas as they are experienced by them as human beings in the physical body do not have the true form of these ideas. People are still so crudely organized in present-day civilization that they would never think of saying to themselves, for example: You wake up from sleep, you have experienced a whole dream that has symbolically expressed to you what is screaming “Fire!” outside on the street. One experiences symbolically something that is quite different outside. What we have in ideas is very different from the way an external event is formed in the dream fantasy; but in the world of ideas we nevertheless also have something that is nothing other than the reflection of a completely different world. And what world is it? We have often spoken of this. It is the world that the human being has gone through before birth, or let us say before conception. This is what is shadowed here in life, up to the abstract world of ideas, experienced in a concrete way. Between death and a new birth, we live in the reality of what is only present here in the world of ideas in these shadow images of concepts, perceptions and ideas. Just as the outer world shines into the dream, so the prenatal world shines into our world between birth and death, by having an effect on the formation of ideas. But while everything is alive in what the ideas are between death and a new birth, while what is real in the world of ideas touches our own being, while we touch our own substantial being by touching ourselves, as we now touch our physical body, only that which we do not even know is cast into this earthly life from the world of ideas. But we use this shadow of our spiritual existence to make our very existence on earth possible. What do the gods give us when they send us into this world through birth? They give us the shadow image of the existence we have between death and a new birth. These shadows are the ideas, and these ideas serve us here to become physical human beings at all, otherwise we would swim as ethereal beings in the ethereal sea. We kill off the etheric life with the shadow images of our life between death and a new birth.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Thirteenth Lecture","site_heading":"Ideas and Growth Forces: Bridging Prenatal and Posthumous Existence","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Die Menschen sind noch so grob organisiert in der gegenwärtigen Zivilisation, daß sie gar nicht darauf kommen, sich zum Beispiel einmal zu sagen: Du fährst aus dem Schlafe auf, du hast einen ganzen Traum erlebt, der dir symbolisch ausgedrückt hat, was draußen auf der Straße «Feurio!» schreit. - Man erlebt symbolisch etwas, was draußen ganz anders ist. Was wir in den Ideen haben, ist eben sehr verschieden von dieser Ausbildung eines äußeren Ereignisses in der Traumphantasie; aber in der Ideenwelt haben wir dennoch auch etwas, was nichts anderes ist als das Hereinscheinen einer ganz anderen Welt. Und welche Welt ist es? Davon haben wir oftmals gesprochen. Es ist die Welt, die der Mensch durchgemacht hat vor der Geburt, oder sagen wir vor der Empfängnis. Das ist dasjenige, was hier im Leben abgeschattet ist bis zur abstrakten Ideenwelt, konkret erlebt. Zwischen dem Tod und einer neuen Geburt leben wir in der Realität dessen, was hier in der Ideenwelt nur in diesen Schattenbildern der Begriffe, der Vorstellungen, der Ideen vorhanden ist. So wie die äußere Welt in den Traum hereinscheint, so scheint die vorgeburtliche Welt herein in unsere Welt zwischen Geburt und Tod, indem sie nachwirkt in der Bildung von Ideen. Aber während alles lebt in dem, was die Ideen sind zwischen dem Tod und einer neuen Geburt, während da das, was in der Ideenwelt real ist, unsere eigene Wesenheit berührt, während wir da, indem wir uns selber berühren, unser ideelles Substantielles berühren, so wie wir jetzt unseren physischen Leib berühren, schattet sich herein in dieses irdische Leben von dieser Substantialität der Ideenwelt nur dasjenige, wovon wir nicht einmal wissen, daß wir aus ihm im Irdischen die Realität des eigenen Ich schöpfen. Aber wir verwenden diesen Schatten unserer geistigen Existenz dazu, um uns gerade die Existenz auf Erden möglich zu machen. Was geben uns denn die Götter mit, indem sie durch die Geburt uns hereinsenden in diese Welt? Sie geben uns mit das Schattenbild jener Existenz, die wir haben zwischen dem Tod und einer neuen Geburt. Dieses Schattenbild sind die Ideen, und diese Ideen dienen uns hier, um überhaupt physisch Mensch zu werden, sonst würden wir als ätherische Wesen im ätherischen Meer schwimmen. Wir töten ab das ätherische Leben mit den Schattenbildern unseres Lebens zwischen dem Tod und einer neuen Geburt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":462,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/198/1920-07-10/p012"}],"english":["GA 198/1920-07-10/p012"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":462,"en_words":464,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5786,"original_word_count":5526,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Healing Factors for the Social Organism","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA198/English/SOL2024/19200710p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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