{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 198/1920-07-10/p015","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Thus we are connected with our life with the prenatal. The traditional religious denominations do not like to point to this prenatal, indeed they even decisively reject it. I have already touched on the fact that it is precisely the peculiarity of the present traditional religious denominations that they speak only of the after-death, not of the prenatal, of the pre-existence. They do not want to speak of this because then one cannot appeal to man's egoism, to which one appeals when one preaches to man only about the life after death; for man wants to enjoy the knowledge of the life after death between birth and death. That which imposes obligations on them for this life, because the gods have released them from the spiritual world to fulfill their mission, does not appeal to human selfishness, it appeals to human responsibility and human obligation. That is why one finds little agreement when one speaks of this prenatal life. And these religious beliefs have managed to make people sleep so much about this prenatal life that we may well have a word 'immortality', that is, we negate mortality, but we have no word 'unbirth', which would be equally justified. For just as little as we die with our spiritual-mental, just as little are we born with our spiritual-mental. We should have a word in the language that suggests this. Yes, the German language needs the word unbirthlich (unborn) as much as it needs unsterblich (immortal), for man recognizes only half of himself if he can only say the word unsterblich but not the word unbirthlich. From the inability of language we can recognize the inability to rise to spiritual heights in this realm.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Thirteenth Lecture","site_heading":"Ideas and Growth Forces: Bridging Prenatal and Posthumous Existence","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Dasjenige, was ihnen auferlegt die Verpflichtungen für dieses Leben, weil die Götter sie aus der geistigen Welt entlassen haben, um ihre Mission zu erfüllen, das spricht nicht zum menschlichen Egoismus, das spricht zu der menschlichen Verantwortlichkeit und menschlichen Verpflichtung. Deshalb finder man wenig Zustimmung, wenn man von diesem vorgeburtlichen Leben spricht. Und so sehr haben es diese Religionsbekenntnisse zuwege gebracht, die Menschen schlafen zu lassen über dieses vorgeburtliche Leben, daß wir wohl ein Wort «Unsterblichkeit» haben, das heißt, wir negieren die Sterblichkeit, aber wir haben kein Wort «Ungeburtlichkeit», was ebenso berechtigt wäre. Denn ebensowenig, wie wir mit unserem Geistig-Seelischen sterben, ebensowenig werden wir mit unserem Geistig-Seelischen geboren. Wir müßten in der Sprache ein Wort haben, das das andeutet. Ja, es muß in die Sprache das Wort «ungeburtlich» ebenso hinein wie «unsterblich», denn der Mensch erkennt sich nur zur Hälfte, wenn er nur das Wort «unsterblich» achten kann, nicht auch das Wort «ungeburtlich». An dem Unvermögen der Sprache erkennt man das Unvermögen, sich zu den geistigen Höhen auf diesem Gebiete zu erheben.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":274,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/198/1920-07-10/p015"}],"english":["GA 198/1920-07-10/p015"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":274,"en_words":283,"ratio":1.03,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5786,"original_word_count":5526,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Healing Factors for the Social Organism","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA198/English/SOL2024/19200710p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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