{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 199/1920-08-14/p011","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"There have been only a few brave spirits who have rebelled against ideas of this kind. One of these I have often mentioned as a typical example, namely, Herman Grimm,[^5] who has said: People talk of a nebulous state, of the nebulous essence of Kant-Laplace, at the beginning of the earth's or the world's existence. From it, it is supposed that everything on the earth, including the human being, has been compressed through purely natural processes. Furthermore, it is assumed that this undergoes changes until it finally falls back into the sun as a cinder. Now, Herman Grimm is of the opinion that a hungry dog nosing around the bone of a carcass presents a more attractive picture than this theory of Kant-Laplace concerning world existence, and that from a cultural and historical point of view people of the future will find it difficult to grasp how it had been possible for the nineteenth and twentieth century to have fallen victim to such pathological thinking. As I said, a few courageous individuals have opposed these ideas. The latter are so widespread today, however, that when somebody like Herman Grimm rejects them, it is said of him: Well, an art historian need not understand anything about natural science. When someone who claims that he is knowledgeable about natural science raises objections, he is regarded as a fool. These ideas are taken today as self-evident and the significance of this attitude is sensed by very few people. For, if this conception has even the slightest justification, all talk of moral and religious ideals is meaningless, for according to this conception these ideals are simply the product of human brains and rise up like bubbles. The social-democratic theorists label these ideals an ideology which has arisen through the transformations of substance, and which will vanish when our earth comes to an end. All our moral and religious concepts are then simply delusions. For the reality postulated by the natural scientific world-view is of a kind that leaves no room for a moral or religious outlook, if this scientific view of life is accepted in the way it is interpreted by the majority of people today. The point is, therefore, that, on the one hand, the time is ripe and, on the other, urgently requires that a world conception be drawn from quite different sources than those of today's education.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Spirit and Matter: Overcoming Materialism Through Initiation","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Einen habe ich als typisches Beispiel öfters vor Ihnen angeführt, Herman Grimm, der ja gesagt hat: Von einem Nebelzustand, von derKant-Laplaceschen Nebelessenz im Beginne des Erdendaseins oder des Weltendaseins spricht man; da soll sich durch rein natürliche Vorgänge alles herausgeballt haben, was auf unserer Erde ist, inbegriffen der Mensch. Und dann soll sich das umwandeln, bis es zuletzt als Schlacke wiederum in die Sonne zurückfällt. Herman Grimm meint, ein Aasknochen, um den ein hungriger Hund herumläuft, sei ein appetitlicherer Anblick als diese Kant-Laplacesche Theorie vom Weltendasein, und es würde künftigen Zeiten schwer sein, kulturhistorisch zu erhärten, wie es hat sein können, daß das 19. und 20. Jahrhundert von dieser Krankheit, so etwas zu denken, hat ergriffen werden können. Einzelne mutige Geister, wie gesagt, haben sich aufgelehnt gegen diese Dinge. Aber diese Dinge werden heute so gelehrt, daß man von demjenigen, der dagegen etwas einwendet, wenn es ein Herman Grimm ist, sagt: Nun ja, ein Kunstgelehrter braucht ja von der Naturwissenschaft nichts zu verstehen. —- Und wenn es ein anderer sagt, der von der Naturwissenschaft etwas verstehen will, so hält man ihn für einen Narren. Derlei Dinge gelten heute für selbstverständlich, und die wenigsten Menschen empfinden, welche Bedeutung dieses Selbstverständlichsein eigentlich hat. Wenn diese Anschauung auch nur ein Atom Richtigkeit hat, dann hat alles Reden von sittlichen und religiösen Idealen keinen Sinn, dann sind sittliche und religiöse Ideale aus den Gehirnen der Menschen herausgeboren und steigen auf wie Blasen — die sozialdemokratischen Theoretiker nennen sie eine Ideologie, um die Menschen zu äffen -, die sich ja nur herausgeballt haben aus den Verwandlungen des Stoffes und die verschwinden werden, wenn unsere Erde in ihrem Endzustand angelangt ist. Alles, was wir uns vorstellen an sittlichen, an religiösen Idealen, ist lediglich Schaumblase dann. Denn die Realität, welche die naturwissenschaftliche Weltanschauung fordert, ist so geartet, daß sie gar nicht eine sittliche oder religiöse Weltanschauung zuläßt, wenn man diese naturwissenschaftliche Weltanschauung so hinnimmt, wie sie von der Mehrzahl der Menschen geglaubt wird. 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