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The later ways of thinking always talk about duality, about good and evil, about God and the devil, and so on. But these ways of thinking, which were developed in later times, no longer correspond to the earlier ones. Those people who developed the struggle between the Gods' home and the giants' home did not see the same in the Gods as, for example, today's Christian understands in the realm of his God. Instead, these older ideas had, for example, Asgard, the realm of the Gods, above, and Jötunheim, the realm of the giants, below; in the middle, Man unfolds, Midgard. This is nothing other than the same thing in the Germanic-European way that was present in ancient Persia as Ormuzd and Ahriman. There we would have to say in our language: Lucifer and Ahriman. We would have to address Ormuzd as Lucifer and not just as the good God. And that is the great mistake that is made, that one understands this dualism as if Ormuzd were only the good God and his opponent Ahriman the evil God. 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This was done in later times; in earlier times, this opposition between Lucifer and Ahriman was still properly envisaged, and therefore something like Elijah was placed in the Luciferic realm with his emotional prophecy, with that which he was able to proclaim at that time, because one wanted to place the Christ in Midgard, in that which lies in the middle.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":393,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/205/1921-07-15/p030","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit I","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA205/English/SOL2024/19210715p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Aber es ist gut - wenn ich so sagen darf, obwohl es zunächst paradox klingt —, daß der Materialismus da war, sonst wären die Menschen in die Nebulosität herein verfallen. Sie hätten zuletzt überhaupt allen Zusammenhang mit dem Erdendasein verloren. Als im 15. Jahrhundert der Materialismus begann, war nämlich die Menschheit im hohen Grade daran, luziferischen Einflüssen zu verfallen, nach und nach immer mehr und mehr ausgehöhlt zu werden. Da kamen eben die ahrimanischen Einflüsse seit jener Zeit. Und in den letzten vier, fünf Jahrhunderten haben sich die ahrimanischen Einflüsse bis zu einer gewissen Höhe entwickelt. Heute sind sie sehr stark geworden und es ist die Gefahr vorhanden, daß sie über ihr Ziel hinausschießen, wenn wir ihnen nicht entgegenhalten dasjenige, was sie gewissermaßen erlahmen macht: wenn wir ihnen nicht das Geistige entgegenhalten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":172,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/205/1921-07-15/p028"},{"locus":"GA 205/1921-07-15/p029","passage_number":29,"text":"Aber da handelt es sich darum, daß man gerade für das Verhältnis des Geistigen zum Materiellen das richtige Gefühl entwickelt. Es gibt in der älteren deutschen Denkweise ein Gedicht, das man «Muspilli» genannt hat, das sich zuerst in einem Buche gefunden hat, das Ludwig dem Deutschen im 9. Jahrhundert gewidmet war, das aber natürlich aus viel früherer Zeit stammt. In diesem Gedicht liegt etwas rein Christliches vor: es wird uns der Kampf des Elias mit dem Antichrist vorgeführt. Aber die ganze Art und Weise, wie diese Erzählung verläuft, dieser Kampf des Elias mit dem Antichrist, erinnert an die alten Kämpfe der Sagen, der Bewohner von Asgard mit den Bewohnern von Jötunheim, den Bewohnern des Riesenreiches. Es ist einfach das Reich der Asen in das Reich des Elias verwandelt worden, das Reich der Riesen in das Reich des Antichrist.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":138,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/205/1921-07-15/p029"},{"locus":"GA 205/1921-07-15/p030","passage_number":30,"text":"Diese Denkweise, die uns da noch entgegentritt, die verhüllt die wahre Tatsache weniger als die späteren Denkweisen. Die späteren Denkweisen, die reden eigentlich immer von einer Dualität, von dem Guten und Bösen, von Gott und dem Teufel und so weiter. Aber diese Denkweisen, die man in der späteren Zeit ausgebildet hat, stimmen nicht mehr zu den früheren. Jene Menschen, die den Kampf ausgebildet haben zwischen dem Götterheim und dem Riesenheim, die haben in den Göttern nicht dasselbe gesehen, wie es etwa der heutige Christ unter dem Reiche seines Gottes versteht, sondern diese älteren Vorstellungen haben zum Beispiel oben Asgard, das Reich der Götter gehabt, und unten Jötunheim, das Reich der Riesen; in der Mitte entfaltet sich der Mensch, Midgard. Das ist nichts anderes als in germanisch-europäischer Art dasselbe, was im alten Persien als Ormuzd und Ahriman vorhanden war. Da müßten wir nun in unserer Sprache sagen: Luzifer und Ahriman. Wir müßten Ormuzd als Luzifer ansprechen und nicht etwa bloß als den guten Gott. Und das ist der große Irrtum, der begangen wird, daß man diesen Dualismus so faßt, als wenn Ormuzd nur der gute Gott wäre und sein Gegner Ahriman der böse Gott. Das Verhältnis ist vielmehr das wie von Luzifer zu Ahriman. Und in Mittelgard, da wird in der Zeit, in der dieses Gedicht «Muspilli» abgefaßt ist, noch ganz richtig nicht vorgestellt: Der Christus läßt oben sein Blut herunterstrahlen -, sondern: Elias ist da, der sein Blut herunterstrahlen läßt. - Und der Mensch wird in die Mitte hineingestellt. Die Vorstellung war in der Zeit, in der wahrscheinlich Ludwig der Deutsche dieses Gedicht in sein Buch hineingeschrieben hat, noch eine richtigere als die spätere. Denn die spätere Zeit hat das Sonderbare begangen, die Trinität außer acht zu lassen; das heißt, die oberen Götter, die in Asgard sind, und die unteren Götter, die Riesengötter, die im ahrimanischen Reich sind, diese als das All aufzufassen, und zwar die oberen, die luziferischen, als die guten Götter und die andern als die bösen Götter. Das hat die spätere Zeit gemacht; die frühere Zeit hat noch diesen Gegensatz zwischen Luzifer und Ahriman richtig ins Auge gefaßt, und daher so etwas wie den Elias in das luziferische Reich hineingestellt mit seiner emotionellen Prophetie, mit demjenigen, was er dazumal verkündigen konnte, weil man den Christus hineinstellen wollte in Mittelgard, in dasjenige, was in der Mitte liegt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":389,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/205/1921-07-15/p030"},{"locus":"GA 205/1921-07-15/p031","passage_number":31,"text":"Wir müssen wiederum zurück zu diesen Vorstellungen in vollem Bewußtsein, sonst werden wir, wenn wir nur von der Dualität zwischen Gott und dem Teufel sprechen, nicht wiederum zu der Trinität kommen: zu den luziferischen Göttern, zu den ahrimanischen Mächten und dazwischen zu dem, was das Christus-Reich ist. Ohne daß wir dazu vorrücken, kommen wir nicht zu einem wirklichen Verständnis der Welt. Denken Sie, es ist darin ein ungeheures Geheimnis der geschichtlichen Entwickelung der europäischen Menschheit, daß der alte Ormuzd zu dem guten Gott gemacht worden ist, während er eigentlich eine luziferische Macht ist, eine Lichtmacht. Dadurch allerdings hat man die Genugtuung haben können, daß man wiederum den Luzifer so schlecht wie möglich machen konnte; weil einem der Luzifername nicht gepaßt hat für den Ormuzd, hat man den Luzifer auf den Ahriman hingeleitet, hat einen Mischmasch gemacht, der noch bei Goethe in seiner Mephistophelesfigur nachwirkt, indem sich da ja auch Luzifer und Ahriman miteinander vermischen, wie ich ausdrücklich in meinem Büchelchen «Goethes Geistesart» gezeigt habe. Es ist in der Tat die europäische Menschheit, die Menschheit der gegenwärtigen Zivilisation in eine große Verwirrung hineingekommen, und diese Verwirrung geht schließlich durch alles Denken. Sie wird nur wettgemacht dadurch, daß man aus der Dualität wieder in die Trinität hineinführt, denn alles Duale führt zuletzt in etwas, in dem der Mensch nicht leben kann, das er als eine Polarität anschauen muß, in der er den Ausgleich nun wirklich finden kann: Christus ist da zum Ausgleich des Luzifer und Ahriman, zum Ausgleich von Ormuzd und Ahriman und so weiter.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":253,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/205/1921-07-15/p031"}],"beads":[{"from":[28],"to":[28],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[29],"to":[29],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[30],"to":[30],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[31,32],"to":[31],"confidence":"high"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}