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We have sensory perception in the realm of I-consciousness, so we have activated our I in this sensory perception, and then, so to speak, extended this activity through our astral body and are experiencing the perceptions there. We have then seen that through the activity of our etheric body, memories arise. And in the physical body — as I said yesterday — all images are formed. Now we are trying to bring something to consciousness that can already be brought to consciousness through subtle introspection. If you, so to speak, cast your spiritual gaze over the field of sensory perception and become imbued with how the sense of self unfolds within it, then you will say to yourself: for sensory perception we are stimulated from the outside. So, if I want to draw a schematic representation of the human being's relationship to his or her sensory perceptions, I actually have to draw it in such a way that I say: if there is an outside world, then the sensory perceptions are stimulated by the outside world (see drawing, blue), but within these sensory perceptions, which are stimulated, the I lives (orange). So it is quite clear that we should not actually say: Our I is, insofar as we become aware of it, within us — but rather: we experience it from the outside in. Just as we experience sensory experiences from the outside in, we experience our I from the outside in. So it is actually an illusion to speak of our I being within us. We breathe in, so to speak, the I with our sense perceptions, if we think of the grasping of sense perceptions as a finer breathing. So that we have to say to ourselves: This I, which actually lives in the external world and fills us through the sense perceptions, then continues to fill us by attaching to the sense perceptions (orange), penetrating to the astral body, the perceptions (yellow).","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":332,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p005","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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But the ego is actually situated in relation to this physical organism in the outer world and, as it were, extends its tentacles into our inner being, first in our imagination, after the astral body, or up to the astral body.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":130,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p006","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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But ultimately they must come from what are the images in the physical body.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":73,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p007","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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So I have to draw the thing in such a way that I not only think schematically of the ego here on the outside, but that the ego is also in the physical body (reddish) and stimulates the memories (green) from the physical body, which then become perceptions (yellow).","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":82,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p008","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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You see, through the careful knowledge of what is going on in a person, it is possible to get an idea of the integration of this ego, how it is on the one hand in the outside world, and on the other hand inside.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":120,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p009","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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The way in which man is related to the outer world was thus depicted as the snake that bites its own tail. When one has before him older pictures that have emerged from instinctive visions, one can often see how deep insights are hidden in such visions. Abstractions come and interpret all kinds of things. In this way, something terribly ingenious sometimes comes about; it is just of no value if it is symbolized and interpreted out of it, because one cannot grasp the facts with the intellect after all, but can only really find what is present if one again penetrates to the sources themselves.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":245,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p010","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Now, let us say you do not feel yourself within your skin, but you see the mirror image moving back and forth, and so you think: That is me — and you keep saying: That is me. — You are actually looking at your mirror image, but you mistake it for yourself. That is what a person actually does. In fact, the ego is like a stream that carries the sensory stimulus to the body. The body reflects it back, first of all that in which the actual self is seated. The self is here, but it is also in the outer world. It is even in the physical body, but it is reflected back to you. The human being does not perceive his real self, but the reflection. He does perceive the reflection, in that he has the sense perception. These are mirror images.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":258,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p011","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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The images are also mirror images, they are the reflection of experiences in the external world. The ego actually lives in the external world and experiences itself in consciousness, in that what it, as the unconscious ego, stimulates in the body is reflected back to it. That is if we consider the sensory perceptions and the images.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":69,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p012","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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And if we want to use an image, we can say: let us imagine that we are looking spiritually with our ego. When we have this perception and imagination, we look in this way. When we form memories and everything that belongs to them, we turn around spiritually, so to speak. Indeed, when we move from sensory perception to memory, this concept of turning around spiritually is an important concept: spiritual turning around. Because if you imagine such a spiritual turning around, you get an inner concept of mobility.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":249,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p013","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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The concepts must be made mobile.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":130,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/206/1921-08-13/p014","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Humanity, World Soul and World Spirit II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA206/English/SOL2024/19210813p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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Mit diesen Vorstellungserlebnissen leben wir in unserem astralischen Leibe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":54,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p004"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p005","passage_number":5,"text":"Stellen wir noch einmal die Sache schematisch vor uns hin. Wir haben im Ich-Bewußtseinsgebiet die Sinneswahrnehmung, haben also unser Ich in dieser Sinneswahrnehmung betätigt, gewissermaßen dann diese Tätigkeit über unseren astralischen Leib ausgedehnt und erleben da die Vorstellungen. Wir haben dann gesehen, durch die Tätigkeit unseres Ätherleibes werden uns die Erinnerungen. Und im physischen Leibe bilden sich — das habe ich gestern gesagt — alle Bilder. Nun handelt es sich darum, daß wir versuchen, etwas zum Bewußtsein zu bringen, was eben schon zum Bewußtsein gebracht werden kann bei subtiler Innenbetrachtung. Wenn Sie gewissermaßen den geistigen Blick hinwerfen auf das Feld der Sinneswahrnehmungen und sich durchdringen damit, wie das Ich-Bewußtsein sich darinnen entfaltet, dann werden Sie sich sagen: Für die Sinneswahrnehmungen werden wir von außen angeregt. — Also wenn ich schematisch das Verhältnis des Menschen zu seinen Sinneswahrnehmungen zeichnen will, so muß ich eigentlich so zeichnen, daß ich sage: Wenn hier Außenwelt ist, so werden von der Außenwelt die Sinneswahrnehmungen angeregt (siehe Zeichnung, blau), aber in diesen Sinneswahrnehmungen drinnen, die da angeregt werden, lebt das Ich (orange). Es ist also durchaus damit schon gegeben, daß wir eigentlich nicht sagen sollten: Unser Ich ist, insofern wir seiner bewußt werden, in uns drinnen —, sondern: Wir erfahren es von außen herein. — Geradeso wie wir die Sinneserlebnisse von außen herein erfahren, so erfahren wir unser Ich selber von außen herein. Es ist also eigentlich eine Illusion, davon zu sprechen, daß unser Ich in uns drinnen ist. Wir atmen gewissermaßen, wenn ich mich so ausdrücken darf, das Ich mit den Sinneswahrnehmungen ein, wenn wir uns das Ergreifen der Sinneswahrnehmungen als ein feineres Atmen denken. So daß wir uns schon sagen müssen: Dieses Ich, das lebt eigentlich in der Außenwelt und erfüllt uns durch die Sinneswahrnehmungen, erfüllt uns dann weiter, indem sich an die Sinneswahrnehmungen (orange), vordringend bis zum astralischen Leibe, nun angliedern die Vorstellungen (gelb).","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":311,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p005"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p006","passage_number":6,"text":"Sie sehen also: Wollen Sie sich in der richtigen Weise dieses Verhältnis des Ich zu dem vorstellen, was man gewöhnlich Mensch nennt und was man sich innerhalb der Haut begrenzt denkt, so müssen Sie sich eigentlich — wenn ich zunächst das Auge als Repräsentanten der Sinneswahrnehmungen hier zeichne — hier vorstellen, daß das Ich nicht im Inneren ist, sondern daß das Ich hier außen lebt und vordringt durch die Sinne nach innen. Wir geben uns gewöhnlich der Illusion hin, daß unser Ich innerhalb desjenigen liegt, was wir unseren physischen Organismus nennen. Aber das Ich ist eigentlich im Verhältnis zu diesem physischen Organismus in der Außenwelt gelegen und streckt gewissermaßen seine Fangarme nach unserem Inneren vor, zunächst im Vorstellen, nach dem astralischen Leibe oder bis zum astralischen Leibe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":127,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p006"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p007","passage_number":7,"text":"Fassen wir nun etwas genauer die Welt der Erinnerungen ins Auge. Die Erinnerungen werden von dem, was wir unser Inneres nennen, emporgetrieben. Indem sie emporgetrieben werden, stellen sie zunächst eine Betätigung im Ätherleibe dar, und die regt wiederum Vorstellungen an im astralischen Leibe; doch kommen die jetzt umgekehrt (siehe Zeichnung Seite 135, Pfeile). Aber sie müssen zuletzt stammen aus dem, was im physischen Leibe die Bilder sind.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":67,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p007"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Nun merken Sie also, daß, ausgehend vom physischen Leibe, zum Atherleib die Erregung strömt, welche der Erinnerung zugrunde liegt, und indem das Ich darinnen ist, ist das Ich auch hier. Ich muß also die Sache so zeichnen, daß ich schematisch nicht nur das Ich hier außen denke, sondern daß das Ich allerdings auch im physischen Leibe ist (rötlich) und vom physischen Leibe aus die Erinnerungen (grün) anregt, die dann zu Vorstellungen werden (gelb).","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":73,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p008"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p009","passage_number":9,"text":"Sie sehen also, ich kann eigentlich mit dem Schema, das ich da gezeichnet habe, gar nicht auskommen. Ich müßte anders zeichnen. Ich müßte sagen: Ich, astralischer Leib, Ätherleib, physischer Leib. Wenn ich aber die Erinnerung ins Auge fasse, dann müßte ich dasjenige, was da oben als Ich ist, auch noch in den physischen Leib hineinlegen. Es ist zu gleicher Zeit abgesondert für sich, und es erfüllt auf der andern Seite auch noch den physischen Leib. Sie sehen, durch die sorgfältige Erkenntnis desjenigen, was im Menschen vorgeht, ist es möglich, sich eine Vorstellung zu verschaffen von der Eingliederung dieses Ich, wie es auf der einen Seite in der Außenwelt ist, auf der andern Seite im Inneren.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":115,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p009"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p010","passage_number":10,"text":"Und jetzt fassen Sie folgenden Vorgang ins Auge. Denken Sie sich einmal, Sie treffen einen Menschen auf der Straße, da haben Sie die Sinneswahrnehmung des Menschen. Ihr Ich ist darinnen, aber gleichzeitig tritt die Erinnerung auf von innen heraus: Sie erkennen den Menschen wieder. Die Erinnerung ist da von innen kommend, und von außen kommen die Sinneswahrnehmungen. Die greifen ineinander. Dieses Phänomen des Ineinandergreifens, das haben nun schon die alten instinktiv befähigten Geistesforscher gekannt. Wir holen es wiederum aus der Summe der Tatsachen hervor. Es ist das, was ich Ihnen jetzt wiederum aus der Summe der Tatsachen hervorhole, den alten Geistesforschern bekannt gewesen, und sie waren gewöhnt, solche Dinge in Bildern aufzuzeichnen und haben dieses, was ich Ihnen jetzt eben sagte, dieses Vorhandensein des Ich, hier das Zusammenkommen mit dem, was von außen kommt, gezeichnet als die Schlange, die sich in den Schwanz beißt. Wie der Mensch mit der Außenwelt in Beziehung steht, das wurde also dargestellt als die Schlange, die sich in den Schwanz beißt. Man kann, wenn man ältere Darstellungen, die aus instinktiven Schauungen hervorgegangen sind, vor sich hat, oftmals erkennen, wie in solchen Schauungen tiefe Erkenntnisse verborgen sind. Abstraktlinge kommen dann und deuten allerlei aus. Auf diese Weise kommt zuweilen furchtbar Geistvolles zustande; es hat nur keinen Wert, wenn man das aussymbolisiert und ausdeutet, weil man ja die Tatbestände dennoch nicht mit dem Verstande deutelnd erfassen kann, sondern was vorliegt, eigentlich nur finden kann, wenn man wiederum zu den Quellen selber vordringt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":245,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p010"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p011","passage_number":11,"text":"Wir wollen aber auch noch in einem andern Bilde uns vergegenwärtigen, was da eigentlich vorliegt. Denken wir an dieses menschliche Ich, wie es ist im Sinneswahrnehmen und im daran sich knüpfenden Vorstellen. Da ist es so, daß wir wirklich in einer Illusion leben, die auf folgende Art zustande gekommen ist. Denken Sie sich einmal, Sie hätten einen Spiegel und Sie sehen sich darinnen in diesem Spiegel, und Sie hätten, hypothetisch darf ich das voraussetzen, niemals Gelegenheit gehabt, irgendwie ein anderes Wissen zu erringen als ein solches, in welchem Sie sich immer im Spiegel gesehen haben, und das hätte Sie dazu geführt - denken Sie nur, wie das möglich sein könnte -, daß Sie sich selber verwechseln mit dem Spiegelbilde. Das Spiegelbild geht hin und her. Nun, sagen wir, Sie empfinden sich nicht innerhalb Ihrer Haut, Sie sehen aber das hin und her wandelnde Spiegelbild, und so meinen Sie: Das bin ich — und immer sagen Sie: Das bin ich. — Sie schauen eigentlich Ihr Spiegelbild an, verwechseln das aber mit sich selber. Das tut der Mensch nämlich in Wirklichkeit. Tatsächlich ist das Ich wie ein Strom, der den Sinnesreiz an den Körper heranträgt. Der Körper strahlt ihn zurück, zuerst dasjenige, worin das eigentliche Ich selber sitzt. Das Ich ist eben hier, es ist aber auch in der Außenwelt. Und es ist sogar im physischen Leibe, aber es wird Ihnen zurückgestrahlt. Der Mensch nimmt nicht sein wirkliches Ich wahr, sondern die Rückstrahlung. Er nimmt schon die Rückstrahlung wahr, indem er die Sinnesempfindung hat. Dies sind Spiegelbilder.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":255,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p011"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Ich habe das genauer ausgeführt in meinem Buche «Von Seelenrätseln». Auch die Vorstellungen sind nun Spiegelbilder, sind die Zurückstrahlungen der Erlebnisse in der Außenwelt. Das Ich lebt eigentlich in der Außenwelt und erlebt sich im Bewußtsein, indem dasjenige, was es als unbewußtes Ich hineinerregt in den Leib, ihm zurückgestrahlt wird. Das ist, wenn wir die Sinneswahrnehmungen und die Vorstellung berücksichtigen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":60,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p012"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p013","passage_number":13,"text":"Anders steht allerdings die Sache, wenn die Erinnerung zustande kommt. Da sind wir ja wirklich hier unten in den zustande gekommenen Bildern mit unserem Ich darinnen. Da wirkt allerdings in hohem Grade ein Unbewußtes. Bedenken Sie nur, wie schwer Sie Erinnerungen heraufbringen, wie wenig Sie da mit Ihrem vollen Verstandesbewußtsein machen können. Da wirkt ein Unbewußtes. Da wirkt in der Tat — und Sie können das fühlen — eine Realität. Da ist es anders. Da verwechseln Sie allerdings nicht mehr dasjenige, was Sie sehen, mit Ihrem Ich, denn Sie fühlen sich in dieser Tätigkeit darinnen. Aber es bleibt auch sehr dunkel; es bleibt dieses Ich, wie ich ja öfter schon erwähnt habe, in einer inneren Betätigung wie ein Traum oder gar wie etwas Schlafendes, denn es wirkt der Wille dadrinnen. Und im Erinnern wirkt ja im wesentlichen der Wille. Ein Wille, der merkwürdig schwankend und wechselnd ist, wirkt dadrinnen. Und wenn wir ein Bild gebrauchen wollen, so können wir sagen: Stellen wir uns vor, daß wir mit unserem Ich geistig so hinschauen. Wenn wir dieses Wahrnehmen und Vorstellen haben, so schauen wir so her. Wenn wir Erinnerungen bilden und all dasjenige, was zu ihnen gehört, dann drehen wir uns gewissermaßen seelisch um. Es ist in der Tat, wenn wir vorschreiten von der Sinneswahrnehmung zur Erinnerung, dieser Begriff des seelischen Umdrehens ein wichtiger Begriff: seelisches Umwenden. Denn wenn Sie sich solch ein seelisches Umwenden vorstellen, so bekommen Sie ja einen inneren Begriff von Beweglichkeit.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":243,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/206/1921-08-13/p013"},{"locus":"GA 206/1921-08-13/p014","passage_number":14,"text":"Sie können nicht mehr so einfach nebeneinander lagern Ich, astralischen Leib, Atherleib und physischen Leib. Das ist bequem, wenn man Anthroposophie vor Gruppen von Anthroposophen vorträgt, und diese recht ruhige, sanfte Vorstellungen bekommen wollen, bei denen sich gut auf Fauteuils sitzen läßt, wenn man sie aufnehmen soll. Aber so ist es nicht in Wirklichkeit. In Wirklichkeit handelt es sich darum, daß, wenn wir herangehen an die menschliche Wesenheit, indem wir das seelische Leben erfassen wollen, wir ein fortdauerndes Umwenden und Umdrehen des ganzen inneren Menschen, also des wahren Menschen ins Auge fassen müssen. Das Ich ist so,und indem es so ist, strahlt es durch die Sinneswahrnehmungen herein; indem es so ist (umgedreht), strahlt es herauf vom physischen Leib. 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