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They want to keep people in an introspective frame of mind, to look rather than take action, to be mystics and follow the wrong kind of theosophy. They like people to sit musing all day, pursuing a thread through all kinds of riddles of the world and unwilling to apply the things they have in mind to the real world outside. They want detached observation to lead to a science of the outside world. They are good at creating a science like the one of Father Secchi,[^9] who was an excellent astrophysicist, being able to make observations using the microscope and telescope and record them, and who also had something that did not relate to this at all, a sublime wisdom greater than the wisdom of this earth and of the human mind that had been given to him by luciferic spirits. The luciferic spirits nurture this wisdom and in doing so tear the human soul and spirit away from earth existence. And however great our materialistic science may be, it comes to nothing, for it has no inner reality of the spirit. This is of no interest to the luciferic spirits.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"Luciferic and Ahrimanic Forces in Human Evolution","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1921-10-23","location":null,"word_count":322,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/208/1921-10-23/p026","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Anna R. 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Aber diese Engelwesen möchten den Menschen nicht ausströmen lassen in seinen Taten in das Erlebnis, in die Offenbarung seiner Willensimpulse. Sie möchten ihn in innerlicher Beschaulichkeit erhalten. Sie verführen ihn zur Mystik, sie verführen ihn zur falschen Theosophie. Sie verführen ihn dazu, ein bloß innerliches beschauliches Leben zu führen, zu betrachten, statt zu handeln. Sie machen ihn zu einem Sinnierer, der am liebsten den ganzen Tag sitzen möchte und spinnen möchte über allerlei Welträtselfragen, der aber das, was in seinem Geiste lebt, nicht übertragen möchte in die äußere Wirklichkeit. Sie möchten durch rein äußere Beobachtung entstehen lassen, was äußere Wissenschaft ist. Sie lassen gut entstehen solch eine Wissenschaft wie die des Paters Secch:, der ein ausgezeichneter Astrophysiker war, deshalb, weil er beobachten konnte mit Mikroskop und Teleskop, weil er das verzeichnen konnte, und nur daneben etwas hatte, was damit gar nicht zusammenhing: das, was ihm eingegeben war von luziferischen Wesen als eine hohe überirdisch-übermenschliche Weisheit. Indem die luziferischen Wesen diese übermenschlich-überirdische Weisheit pflegen, entreißen sie das Seelisch-Geistige des Menschen dem Erdendasein. Dann verfällt einfach das, was noch so hohe äußere materialistische Wissenschaft ist; das verfällt, das hat keinen inneren Bestand. Es ist ja nicht von realer Geistigkeit durchzogen. 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