{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 210/1922-02-18/p004","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"What lives in the human soul by way of thoughts is dead as far as spirit and soul are concerned, compared with the living world of the spirit. In our thoughts, or at least in the force which fills our thoughts, we experience, in a sense, the corpse of our spirit and soul existence between death and a new birth. But our present experience during physical earthly life, of a soul that has—in a way—been slain, was not always as strong as it is today. The further we go back in human evolution the greater is the role played here in earthly life by what I yesterday described as sympathy—sympathy not only with human beings but also for instance with the whole of nature. The abstract knowledge we strive for today—quite rightly, to a certain extent—has not always been present in human evolution. This abstract inner consciousness came into being in its most extreme form in the fifteenth century, that is, at the beginning of the fifth post-Atlantean period. What human beings now experience in their thoughts was, in earlier times, filled with living feelings. In older knowledge—for instance, that of the Greek world—abstract concepts as we know them today simply did not exist. Concepts then were filled with living feelings. Human beings felt the world as well as thinking it. Only at the beginning of the fifth post-Atlantean period did people begin to merely think the world, reserving their feelings of sympathy for what is really only the social realm.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IX","site_heading":"Dead Thoughts and Living Spirit: The Mystery of Golgotha's Answer","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Ich habe dann auseinandergesetzt, wie das noch in sich lebendige Geistige sich eben zu Gedankenhaftem metamorphosiert, aber gewissermaßen wie einen lebendigen Rest des vorgeburtlichen Lebens etwas in dieses Erdenleben hereinschickt, was im menschlichen Mitgefühl lebt, so daß wir im menschlichen Mitgefühl tatsächlich etwas haben, das die Lebendigkeit des Vorgeburtlichen in unserer Seele in sich enthält.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":126,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/210/1922-02-18/p003"},{"locus":"GA 210/1922-02-18/p004","passage_number":4,"text":"Was dann diese Seele als Furchtgefühl durchzieht vor dem Herabsteigen in die physische Welt, das metamorphosiert sich auf der einen Seite als Selbstgefühl hier im irdischen Leben und dann als Wille. Was also in der menschlichen Seele gedankenhaft lebt, ist gegenüber dem Lebendigen in der Geistwelt vor der Geburt im Grunde genommen ein geistig-seelisch Totes. Wir erleben tatsächlich in unseren Gedanken oder wenigstens in der Kraft, die unser Denken durchzieht, gewissermaßen den Leichnam unseres geistig-seelischen Daseins, wie wir es zwischen dem Tode und einer neuen Geburt haben. Aber dieses heutige Erleben der gewissermaßen getöteten Seele während des physischen Erdenlebens war nicht immer in demselben Maße vorhanden. Je weiter wir zurückgehen in der Menschheitsentwickelung, desto mehr spielt das, was ich gestern als Mitgefühl bezeichnet habe Mitgefühl nicht nur mit den Menschen, sondern zum Beispiel auch mit der gesamten Natur -, noch eine gewisse Rolle hier im irdischen Leben. Solche abstrakte Erkenntnis, wie sie heute angestrebt wird, und mit Recht, wenigstens mit einem gewissen relativen Recht, war in der Menschheitsentwickelung nicht immer vorhanden. Eine solche abstrakte innerliche Bewußtheit kam im Grunde genommen im vollsten extremsten Sinne erst im 15. Jahrhundert, also mit dem Beginn des fünften nachatlantischen Zeitraumes herauf. Was da der Mensch erlebt in seinen Gedanken, das ist früher durchzogen gewesen von lebendigem Fühlen. In den alten Erkenntnissen, zum Beispiel der griechischen Welt, gab es diese abstrakten Begriffe, die wir heute haben, überhaupt nicht. Da waren alle Begriffe durchzogen von lebendigem Fühlen. Da empfand der Mensch die Welt, er dachte sie nicht bloß. 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