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Through plastic art and particularly through the Greek tragedy—in fact, through art in general—the aim was to create something through man which, though associated with this world, nevertheless transcended it. The initiated Greek said to himself: The world I see around me with its trees, its springs and so on, all this will disintegrate; however, what from this world has been secreted into a Venus de Milo, a Zeus or Athene, or into the dramas of Sophocles, will surely pass over from the realm of the visible into the invisible. 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This knowledge led the initiates in the mysteries to say: If by combining natural forces we simply put together something technically we shall have something in the nature of a machine. We shall be making something which will be destroyed together with that aspect of the earth which the Gods themselves wish annihilated. For every initiate knows, and did know, that those Gods they venerated and communed with in the ancient mysteries—and with whom one can naturally still commune—those Gods hate nothing so much as, for example, a locomotive or a motor car. That to them is something dreadful. Those Gods say, “Not only must we endure that Ahriman has made the earth machinelike: now added to that, human beings are imitating the work of Ahriman. Our task in destroying Ahriman's endeavors is great enough and now we have in addition all these steam engines, all these electric machines and all that trash which has to be destroyed as well.”","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":274,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/212/1922-05-07/p031","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Rita Stebbing","identified_edition":"AP1984","book_title":"The Human Soul in Relation to World Evolution","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA212/English/AP1984/19220507p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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The spiritual cannot enter a creation such as a machine or a chemical, but it can enter the act of worship. It was considered that what one did should be something sacramental, something in which the spirit could live and participate. The aim of the cult was to rescue as much as possible from earth evolution.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":198,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/212/1922-05-07/p032","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Rita Stebbing","identified_edition":"AP1984","book_title":"The Human Soul in Relation to World Evolution","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA212/English/AP1984/19220507p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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I have often spoken of this; today I approached it more from the historical aspect.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":74,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/212/1922-05-07/p033","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Rita Stebbing","identified_edition":"AP1984","book_title":"The Human Soul in Relation to World Evolution","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA212/English/AP1984/19220507p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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It is remarkable that it is just people of intelligence who are today returning in great numbers to the bosom of the Catholic church. They do this for the simple reason that they want to be saved. They want to stay with what will remain when the earth disappears without trace, through the will of the Gods. Little attention is paid to what is happening in our time; so this present flow of intelligent people into Catholicism goes on unnoticed. It is happening because people want to escape from destruction. They want to participate in something, like the Catholic ceremonies and Mass, which, resting as they do on very old traditions, will at least belong to what will remain. It is happening because people lack the motivation to discover something new and essential for the future. People lack inner strength because they have lost it in our technical age.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":170,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/212/1922-05-07/p034","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Rita Stebbing","identified_edition":"AP1984","book_title":"The Human Soul in Relation to World Evolution","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA212/English/AP1984/19220507p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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In den ältesten griechischen Mysterien arbeitete man namentlich auf eine künstlerische Gestaltung der Welt hin - von einer naturwissenschaftlichen Auffassung, wie wir sie heute haben, hatte man im alten Griechenland noch keine Ahnung -, man arbeitete in der Plastik, namentlich auch in der Tragödie, kurz, in der Kunst darauf hin, durch den Menschen etwas zu schaffen, was zwar sich anlehnt an diese Welt, was aber über diese Welt doch hinausgeht. Und der eingeweihte Grieche, der hatte die Vorstellung: Die Welt, auf der du stehst, die Welt der Bäume, die du siehst, die Welt der Quellen, die du wahrnimmst und so weiter, die wird zerstäuben; was du aber in deine Venus von Milo, in den Zeus, in die Athene, was du in das Drama des Sophokles hineingeheimnißt hast aus dieser Welt heraus, das wird zwar aus dem sichtbaren Reiche ins Unsichtbare übergehen, es werden nur die Gedanken gleichsam schwebend bleiben, aber das wird, wenn diese Erde zerstäubt, hinausgehen und wird retten den Fortgang der Erdenwelt, der sonst eben nur darin bestehen könnte, daß diese Erdenwelt einmal radikal zugrunde ginge.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":192,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/212/1922-05-07/p030"},{"locus":"GA 212/1922-05-07/p031","passage_number":31,"text":"Die Griechen der ältesten Zeit, solange die Kunst noch aus den Mysterien hervorging, stellten sich schon vor: Durch die Kunst wollen wir retten den Untergang derjenigen Welt, die von den Göttern herrührt, die aber einen Einschluß bekommen hat, den die Götter selber vernichten wollten. - Und das, was man da wußte, das führte eben dazu, sich folgendes zu sagen. Sehen Sie, gewisse fundamentale naturwissenschaftliche Tatsachen waren ja, wie auch geschichtlich nachgewiesen werden kann, den alten Mysterieneingeweihten durchaus bekannt. Gewiß, wir haben viel Neues im Laufe der letzten Jahrhunderte, namentlich des 19. Jahrhunderts, in bezug auf technische Konstruktionen hinzugebracht; aber gewisse fundamentale Dinge, die heute noch fortwirken in der Technik, die waren durchaus den alten Eingeweihten bekannt. Es war ihnen viel mehr bekannt, als dasjenige ausmachte, wovon sie zu den Menschen sprachen, die nicht eingeweiht waren. Aber sie sagten sich folgendes: Wenn wir einfach technisch so etwas zusammenstellen, was Naturkräfte kombiniert, so daß wir etwas Maschineriehaftes vor uns haben, so machen wir ja im allerextremsten Fall etwas, was zerstäubt mit dem Erdenwesen, wovon die Götter selbst den Untergang wünschen. - Denn das weiß ja jeder Eingeweihte, daß diejenigen Götter, zu denen man in den alten Mysterien hinaufsah, mit denen man in den alten Mysterien verkehrt hatte, mit denen man selbstverständlich auch heute noch verkehren kann, daß diese Götter nichts so sehr hassen wie zum Beispiel eine Lokomotive oder ein Auto! Das ist ihnen etwas Furchtbares. Denn sie sagen, diese Götter: Dasjenige, was wir uns gefallen lassen müssen von Ahriman, daß er uns die Erde gebildet hat in dieser maschineriehaften Weise, das machen jetzt die Menschen dem Ahriman noch nach; sie machen noch zu dem etwas hinzu. Unsere Arbeit ist schon groß für das, was wir vernichten müssen, wenn wir wenigstens bloß die Werke des Ahriman hätten; aber wir haben zu alledem noch diese Dampfmaschinen, diese elektrischen Maschinen und all das Zeug; das müssen wir noch dazu vernichten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":316,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/212/1922-05-07/p031"},{"locus":"GA 212/1922-05-07/p032","passage_number":32,"text":"Also die alten Eingeweihten sagten sich: Das nützt gar nichts, wenn wir einfach die äußeren Naturkräfte, in die nichts mehr Geistiges hineingesehen wird, in technischer Maschinerie oder in technischem Chemismus vermehren. - Es war eine Grundüberzeugung der Initiierten, daß das so ist. Daher sagten sie: Man muß so viel wie möglich von dieser Welt retten. - Wie gesagt, in Griechenland war es so, daß man durch die Kunst retten wollte; wenn wir mehr nach dem Orient hinüberkommen, war es so, daß die Leute sich sagten: Was bloß nach sogenannten Naturgesetzen verläuft, hat im Grunde genommen für die wahre Menschheitsentwickelung gar keinen Zweck, denn das werden die Götter einmal zerblasen; daher kleiden wir das, was wir machen, so, daß darinnen Spirituelles lebt. - Und daraus entstand der Kultus im älteren Sinne, eben nicht die Formung einer Maschinerie oder eines Chemismus, sondern die Kultushandlung. Man sieht in dem, was man tut, etwas Sakramentales, etwas, wo Spiritualität drinnen ist, wo der Geist mittut. Im religiösen Kultus wollten die Leute eben so viel wie möglich retten von dem, was zu retten ist von der Erdenevolution.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":181,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/212/1922-05-07/p032"},{"locus":"GA 212/1922-05-07/p033","passage_number":33,"text":"Ich habe das bei früheren Gelegenheiten oftmals dadurch ausgesprochen, daß ich ein Bild gebraucht habe: Wir müssen wiederum gegenüber unserer bloßen Technik dahin kommen, daß uns der Laboratoriumstisch ein Altar wird, daß wir tatsächlich eine Art göttlichen Dienstes verrichten, indem wir im physikalischen, im chemischen Laboratorium arbeiten, daß also der Laboratoriumstisch zum Altar wird, daß wir tatsächlich da hinein moralisieren und spiritualisieren. — Ich habe das früher so ausgesprochen; es ist im Grunde genommen dasselbe, was ich heute mehr historisch ausspreche.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":81,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/212/1922-05-07/p033"},{"locus":"GA 212/1922-05-07/p034","passage_number":34,"text":"So also entstand der religiöse Kultus, zu dem heute die Menschen, weil sie sich nicht aufringen können zu einer Aktivität in bezug auf das Geistige, wiederum zurückkehren. Es ist merkwürdig, wie gerade intelligente Menschen heute in großer Zahl in den Schoß der katholischen Kirche zurückkehren, aus dem einfachen Grunde, weil sie sich retten wollen zu dem, was von der Erde bleibt, aus demjenigen, was ja spurlos verschwinden muß durch Götterwillen selber. Dieses Hinströmen gerade gebildeter Menschen heute in den Katholizismus hinein wird von denjenigen, die nicht die Gegenwart aufmerksam betrachten, eben auch gar nicht beachtet. Das besteht darinnen, daß die Leute heraus wollen aus dem, was vernichtet wird, in etwas hinein, was, wie die katholischen Zeremonien und Kultushandlungen, die auf sehr alten Einrichtungen beruhen, formen will wenigstens das, was da bleibt, weil den Leuten fehlt jene Aktivität, wodurch etwas Neues, etwas, was wir brauchen für die Zukunft, wirklich gefunden werden kann. Es fehlt den Leuten die innere Kraft. 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