{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p053","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"My dear friends, do you think that when I have to speak out of the spirit of initiation science, the words will have the same ring as when one is speaking from an ordinary earthly standpoint? I have just been trying to explain to you how language has to change and become something quite different when it is a question of carrying on intercourse with beings of the spiritual world, and I think you will not now misunderstand me if I tell you how initiation science sees, for instance, such a man as Rousseau. Speaking from the earthly standpoint, I shall never fail to recognise the greatness and significance of Rousseau, and I am fully prepared to associate myself with the high praise and favourable criticism to which others have given expression. Should I however make bold to clothe in earthly words how Rousseau appears when one sees him from the standpoint of initiation knowledge, I should have to say: Rousseau, with his spiritual leveling of human beings,—what is he, after all, but one of the many everlasting talkers of our modern civilisation! A prince and a leader, shall we say, among them all! People do not readily understand how it is possible, from an earthly point of view to call a man great, and at the same time, from the point of view of initiation to call him an arch-talker! But if we honestly desire to attain a knowledge of man, and if we recognise that to this end we have, as I said, to take the Heavens and the Earth for our province and then discern the rhythm that beats between them, we shall find that even such a seemingly paradoxical utterance is true and requires to be said. For it is, in fact, as we learn to listen to both,—to what sounds forth from the one side *and* from the other side of existence, it is as we learn to hear these together, that guidance can come to us in our quest for a true knowledge of Man.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"III. Man's Life in Sleep and After Death","site_heading":null,"date":"1922-08-30","location":null,"word_count":341,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/214/1922-08-30/p053","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"George and Mary Adams","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"Planetary Spheres and Their Influence on Mans Life on Earth and in the Spiritual Worlds","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/PlanSphere/19220830p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p053"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/214/1922-08-30/p053","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. Unknown is not an assurance of a stenogram: check the edition's own notes before resting an argument on one word.","evidence":null,"evidence_translation":null,"evidence_source":null},"other_renderings":{"loci":[{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30_02","ga":"214","lecture":"1922-08-30_02","kind":"renderings","relation":"another translation or transcription of the same lecture"}],"note":"The same lecture is also served at the loci listed, each with how it relates to this one. They are ONE witness, not independent attestations: quote the rendering you fetched, and do not cite another as corroborating it. Wording differs between translations, so a quotation found in one need not occur in the other."},"german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1922-08-30","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p065","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p065"},{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p066","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p066"},{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p067","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p067"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 214/1922-08-30/p065","GA 214/1922-08-30/p066"],"reader_part":true,"length_check":{"de_words":382,"en_words":453,"ratio":1.19,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. The German original passage(s) above are the edition-invariant anchor — fetch them (lang='de') to verify wording before quoting across editions."},"paired_german":{"status":"paired","german":[{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p065","passage_number":65,"text":"Meine lieben Freunde, glauben Sie, daß, wenn aus dem Geiste dieser Initiationswissenschaft zu Ihnen gesprochen werden muß, die Worte ebenso klingen müssen, wie sie auf Erden hier klingen müssen für die gewöhnlichen irdischen Verhältnisse? Wenn ich Ihnen versuche begreiflich zu machen, wie die menschliche Lautsprache anders wird, wenn Sprache entfaltet werden soll gegenüber den Wesen der geistigen Welt, so werden Sie mich auch nicht mißverstehen, wenn ich Ihnen sage: Ich selber werde niemals die große Bedeutung verkennen, die — vom bloßen irdischen Standpunkte aus gesprochen — zum Beispiel Rousseau hat, und ich werde mich anschicken, wenn ich von dem bloßen Erdenstandpunkt aus spreche, mit all jenem Elan und mit all jenen Erhebungen und mit all der guten Kritik von Rousseau zu sprechen, wie eben andere sprechen. Soll ich mich aber zu dem Versuch aufschwingen, in irdische Worte zu kleiden dasjenige, was die Initiationserkenntnis über Rousseau gibt, so muß ich Ihnen sagen: Rousseau stellt sich der Initiationswissenschaft mit seiner Gleichmacherei, mit seinem geistigen Nivellement als der Generalschwätzer der modernen Zivilisation mit vielen anderen Genossen dar!","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":174,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p065"},{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p066","passage_number":66,"text":"Das ist dasjenige, was natürlich die Menschheit nicht so ohne weiteres aufnimmt, daß man vom irdischen Standpunkte aus jemanden einen großen Geist nennen kann, will man aber den Menschen wirklich kennenlernen und das, was ich gesagt habe, daß die moderne Initiationswissenschaft Himmel und Erde kennen muß und den gegenseitigen Rhythmus schildern muß zwischen beiden, dann muß eben auch ausgesprochen werden, daß, was etwa auf der Erde als eine große Persönlichkeit geschildert werden kann, wie Rousseau, gerade vom Initiationsstandpunkte aus der Generalschwätzer des modernen Geisteslebens genannt werden muß. — Erst im Zusammenklingen dessen, was von der einen Seite und von der anderen Seite ertönt, ergibt sich dasjenige, was zu wirklicher Menschenerkenntnis führt. Denn diese wirkliche Menschenerkenntnis muß auferbaut sein auf dem, worauf die alten Initiierten gebaut haben, auf dem: Ex deo nascimur. Alle Erinnerung, sie muß aufgebaut sein auf demjenigen, was uns entgegentreten kann, wenn wir hinausschauen in die Welt, wo Christus unser Führer wird unbewußt, wie ich es heute geschildert habe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":161,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p066"},{"locus":"GA 214/1922-08-30/p067","passage_number":67,"text":"Aber wir müssen ihn immer mehr und mehr ins Bewußtsein hereinbringen, so daß wir dasjenige, was in der Welt ist, der das Sterben eignet, erkennen als unter der Führung des Christus stehend - erkennen, daß wir mit dem Christus in die tote Welt hineinleben: In Christo morimur.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":47,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/214/1922-08-30/p067"}],"english":["GA 214/1922-08-30/p053","GA 214/1922-08-30/p054"],"method":"reader","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":382,"en_words":453,"ratio":1.19,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["reader"],"reader_german":["GA 214/1922-08-30/p065","GA 214/1922-08-30/p066"],"reader_part":true},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.2,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9457,"original_word_count":7908,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George and Mary Adams","identified_edition":null,"book_title":"Planetary Spheres and Their Influence on Mans Life on Earth and in the Spiritual Worlds","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/PlanSphere/19220830p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"entity_parity":{"status":"discrepancy","checked_against":["GA 214/1922-08-30/p065","GA 214/1922-08-30/p066","GA 214/1922-08-30/p067"],"missing_from_translation":["Christ"],"present_only_in_translation":[],"bead_confidence":"high","bead_length_ratio":1.19,"likely_cause":"unresolved","note":"NAME MISMATCH between this English passage and its German counterpart. A name the German carries is absent here (or a name appears here that the German does not carry). Two things cause this and they need telling apart: the translation really drops or reassigns what the original distinguishes, OR the paragraph alignment paired the wrong passages. `bead_confidence` does NOT settle which: this corpus's embedding aligner pairs topically-related paragraphs at full confidence, and a sampled high-confidence mismatch proved to be a wrong pairing. Read the German passages listed and confirm they are counterparts BEFORE drawing any conclusion about the translation."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. See witness_completeness for how much of the original this witness holds."}}