{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 224/1923-06-21/p022","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"To illustrate this, I would like to say the following. Due to the circumstances I recently described in Dornach, the anthroposophical movement went hand in hand with the so-called theosophical movement for a time. It never adopted the teachings of the theosophical movement, but only found its audience within the Theosophical Society. But there are also teachings that are known as belonging to the theosophical movement. Superficial people confuse theosophy with anthroposophy. But even though the number of these superficial people is very large, the great, profound difference must be clear to you. I would like to characterize this profound difference with a few remarks. Try to follow closely how theosophical teachings actually work. They also speak of the members of human nature, members of the human being, and even use the same names for the lower members: physical body, etheric body, astral body. But then, when you look at the descriptions, you will find that the physical body is the dense body, then comes the etheric body, something thinner, but still a kind of mist, then comes the astral body, even thinner, a thinner mist, and then you have to climb terribly high, but it only becomes a thinner and thinner mist. Look at how little this literature deals with what is expected of even beginners in anthroposophical literature, I would say, not to imagine the etheric body as something thinner, but as something opposite to the physical body. Just as the physical body fills space, the etheric body takes something away. Physical matter fills space, etheric substance sucks space out. There is nothing of the kind that one always enters thinner mists, but rather one really embarks on the path to spiritual contemplation. This even disturbs many people, because they have nice ways of connecting to the physical world in these increasingly thin mists; one can imagine the whole thing through physical images, so that one can form entire systems, entire worldviews in this theosophical way.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Our Thought Life in Sleep and Wakefulness and in the Afterlife","site_heading":null,"date":"1923-06-21","location":null,"word_count":328,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/224/1923-06-21/p022","alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Human Soul in its Connection with Divine-Spiritual Individualities","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA224/English/SOL2024/19230621p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Diesen tiefgehenden Unterschied möchte ich noch durch einige Bemerkungen charakterisieren. Versuchen Sie einmal, so recht zu verfolgen, wie eigentlich gerade theosophische Lehren arbeiten. Sie reden ja auch von den Gliedern der menschlichen Natur, Gliedern der menschlichen Wesenheit, sogar, was die unteren Glieder betrifft, mit denselben Namen: physischer Leib, Ätherleib, astralischer Leib. Aber gehen Sie dann auf Beschreibungen ein, so werden Sie finden: Der physische Leib, das ist der dichte Leib, dann kommt der Ätherleib, etwas dünner, aber doch so eine Art Nebel, dann kommt der astralische Leib, wieder dünner, ein dünnerer Nebel, und dann muß man furchtbar klettern, es wird aber immer nur ein dünnerer und dünnerer Nebel. Sehen Sie sich an, wie wenig sich diese Literatur einläßt auf das, was in der anthroposophischen Literatur, ich möchte sagen, schon den Abc-Schützen zugemutet wird, sich den Ätherleib nicht als etwas Dünneres vorzustellen, sondern als etwas Entgegengesetztes vom physischen Leib. So wie der physische Leib den Raum ausfüllt, nimmt der Ätherleib etwas weg. Physische Materie erfüllt den Raum, Äthersubstanz saugt den Raum aus. Da gibt es nichts von der Art, daß man immer in dünnere Nebel kommt, sondern da wird wirklich der Weg zur geistigen Betrachtung angetreten. Das stört viele sogar, denn sie haben hübsche Möglichkeiten, an die physische Welt anzuknüpfen in diesen immer dünner werdenden Nebeln, man kann sich das Ganze durch physische Bilder vorstellen, so daß man ganze Systeme, ganze Weltanschauungen auf diese theosophische Art bilden kann.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":329,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/224/1923-06-21/p022"}],"english":["GA 224/1923-06-21/p022"],"method":"identity","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":329,"en_words":328,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7128,"original_word_count":6805,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Human Soul in its Connection with Divine-Spiritual Individualities","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA224/English/SOL2024/19230621p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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