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Throughout Siberia and Central Asia, and across the Caucasus, terrible ahrimanic, etheric-astral beings roam everywhere in the world immediately adjacent to the earthly, practising ahrimanic sorcery that has been lowered into the astral and earthly realms. And this has a contagious effect on people, who, after all, cannot do everything themselves, who are clumsy in these matters, but who, as I said, are infected, influenced by it and thus stand under the influence of the world bordering on the earth, immediately adjoining the astral. When something like this is described, it must be clear that what was called a myth or the like in ancient times is always based on a magnificent spiritual view of nature. And when people in Greece spoke of the fauns and satyrs, who, through their activity, interwove themselves into earthly events, they did not, as fanciful scholars of today imagine, construct beings in their fantasy, but in his spiritual nature he knew of those real beings, which populated the astral territory immediately adjacent to the earthly world everywhere as fauns and satyrs. At about the turn of the third or fourth century after Christ, all those fauns and satyrs moved over to the regions east of the Urals and the Volga, to the Caucasus. That became their homeland. There they underwent their further development. Before the carpet, before this cosmic carpet, what has emerged is that which developed out of the human soul as thinking and so on, as a certain dialectic. When people held fast to the inwardly strict and pure forms of thinking, to that which one must really develop within oneself, when one wants to develop the pure forms of scholastic thinking, then they have indeed cultivated that which was to be cultivated according to the counsel of the spirituality guiding the earthly, then they have worked in preparation for that which must come in our present time and in the near future. But this purity was not everywhere to be found. While in the East, beyond the wallpaper, if I may put it that way, the urge arose to draw down from the Pleroma the deeds of the Pleroma, to transform the happenings of the Pleroma into earthly magic and Ahrimanic magic, west of the wallpaper wall, the striving for reason, for dialectics, for logic, for the ideal understanding of the world of the earthly, all that which human feelings of pleasure signify, what human feelings of well-being signify in sensual existence. 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Durch das ganze Sibirien hindurch, durch Mittelasien hindurch über den Kaukasus, da treiben sich überall in der unmittelbar an das Irdische angrenzenden Welt furchtbare ahrimanische, ätherisch-astralische Wesen herum, welche ins Astralische und Irdische heruntergesetzte ahrimanische Zauberei treiben. Und das wirkt ansteckend auf die Menschen, die ja nicht alles gleich selber können, die ungeschickt sind in den Dingen, die aber wie gesagt angesteckt werden, beeinflußt werden davon und somit unter dem Einflusse der an die Erde angrenzenden, unmittelbar an das Astralische grenzenden Welt stehen. Wenn so etwas geschildert wird, dann muß man sich ja klar sein, daß? dem, was man für alte Zeiten einen Mythos oder dergleichen nennt, immer großartige geistige Naturanschauungen zugrunde liegen. Und als man in Griechenland von den Faunen und Satyrn gesprochen hat, die sich in ihrer Tätigkeit hineinwoben in das irdische Geschehen, da hat man sich nicht, wie phantastische Gelehrte von heute es sich vorstellen, Wesen in der Phantasie konstruiert, sondern man hat in seiner geistigen Naturschau von jenen wirklichen Wesen gewußt, welche das unmittelbar an die irdische Welt angrenzende Astralterritorium überall eben als Faune und Satyrn bevölkerten. Jene Faune und Satyrn sind ungefähr um die Wende des 3., 4. nachchristlichen Jahrhunderts alle hinübergezogen in die Gebiete östlich vom Ural und der Wolga nach dem Kaukasus. Das wurde ihre Heimat. Dort haben sie ihre weitere Entwickelung durchgemacht. Vor dem Teppich, vor diesem kosmischen Teppich, ist nun dasjenige entstanden, was aus der menschlichen Seele heraus als Denken und so weiter, als eine gewisse Dialektik sich entwickelte. Wenn die Menschen festgehalten haben an den innerlichen strengen und reinen Denkformen, an dem, was man wirklich in sich entwickeln muß, wenn man die reinen Denkformen der Scholastik entwickeln will, dann haben sie eben dasjenige ausgebildet, was auszubilden war nach dem Ratschlusse der das Irdische leitenden Geistigkeit, dann haben sie vorbereitend gewirkt für das, was kommen muß in unserer Gegenwart und in einer nächsten Zukunft. Aber es war nicht überall jene Reinlichkeit vorhanden. Während im Osten, jenseits der Tapetenwand, wenn ich so sagen darf, der Trieb entstanden war, herunterzu- ziehen in das Irdische die Taten des Pleromas, zu verwandeln das Pleroma-Geschehen in irdische Zauberei und in ahrimanisierte Magie, vermischte sich westwärts der Tapetenwand mit dem Streben nach der Ratio, nach der Dialektik, nach der Logik, nach dem ideellen Begreifen der Welt des Irdischen, alles dasjenige, was menschliche Lustgefühle bedeutet, was menschliche Wohlgefühle am sinnlichen Dasein bedeutet. Es mischten sich herein in den reinen Vernunftgebrauch, der entwickelt worden ist, irdisch-menschliche, luziferische Triebe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":481,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/225/1923-07-15_02/p025"},{"locus":"GA 225/1923-07-15_02/p026","passage_number":26,"text":"Dadurch aber entwickelte sich neben dem, was sich da als Streben nach Vernunft und ideeller Praxis entwickelte, unmittelbar angrenzend an die Erdenwelt, eine andere astralische Welt: Es entwickelte sich eine astralische Welt, die sozusagen mitten unter denen war, die so rein wie Giordano Bruno oder Galilei oder auch die Späteren strebten nach der Ausbildung des irdischen Denkens, nach einer irdischen Denkmaxime und Denktechnik. Sozusagen zwischendurch entstanden die Wesenheiten einer astralischen Welt, die jetzt all das in sich aufnehmen, namentlich auch in das religiöse Leben aufnehmen, was sinnliche Gefühle sind, denen dienstbar gemacht werden sollte das rationalistische Streben. Und so bekam allmählich das reine Denkstreben einen sinnlich-physischen Charakter.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":107,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/225/1923-07-15_02/p026"},{"locus":"GA 225/1923-07-15_02/p027","passage_number":27,"text":"Und vieles von dem, was dann schon in der zweiten Hälfte des 18. Jahrhunderts, aber besonders im 19, Jahrhundert als solche Denktechnik sich ausbildete, ist durchsetzt und durchwoben von dem, was in der astralischen Welt, die nun diese rationalistische Welt durchzieht, vorhanden ist. Die irdischen Lüste der Menschen, die raffiniert gedeutet werden sollten, raffiniert erkannt werden sollten durch eine herabgekommene Denktechnik, die entwickelten in den Menschen ein Element, das Nahrung war für gewisse Astralwesenheiten, welche darauf ausgingen, das Denken, das in so hoher Schärfe ausgebildet war, nun bloß zum Durchdringen der irdischen Welt zu verwenden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":95,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/225/1923-07-15_02/p027"},{"locus":"GA 225/1923-07-15_02/p028","passage_number":28,"text":"Es entstanden solche Theorien wie die marxistischen, die das Denken, statt es zu erheben in das Spirituelle, auf das bloße Verweben sinnlich-physischer Entitäten, sinnlich-physischer- Impulse beschränkten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":26,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/225/1923-07-15_02/p028"},{"locus":"GA 225/1923-07-15_02/p029","passage_number":29,"text":"Das war etwas, was immer mehr möglich machte, daß gewisse luziferische Wesenheiten, die in dieser Astralsphäre weben, eingreifen konnten in das Denken der Menschen. Das Denken der Menschen wurde ganz und gar durchsetzt von dem, was dann gewisse Astralwesenheiten dachten, von denen nun die westliche Welt ebenso besessen wurde wie die Nachkömmlinge der Schamanen im Östen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":56,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/225/1923-07-15_02/p029"}],"beads":[{"from":[25],"to":[25],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[26],"to":[26],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[27],"to":[27],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[28],"to":[28],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[29],"to":[29],"confidence":"high"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}