{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 232/1923-11-24/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Thus the Ahrimanic and the Luciferic powers are intimately connected with human life. This state of things must be regulated in the process of man’s whole evolution. Hence it became necessary for the primeval Teachers of mankind to leave the Earth where such regulation would not have been possible. It cannot be undertaken during a man’s earthly life, and when that life is over he is obviously not on the Earth. The primeval Teachers were therefore obliged to withdraw from the Earth and continue their existence on the Moon. When they had thus withdrawn—and here I must use ordinary language for something that one would prefer to clothe in different word-pictures—these wise Teachers came to an arrangement with the Ahrimanic and Luciferic powers. Now the appearance of the Ahrimanic beings in man’s existence after death would have been particularly injurious if they could have exercised a real influence upon him. For when a man goes through the gate of death, bearing the after-effects of anything evil in his soul, he finds himself, as I have told you, in an entirely Ahrimanic environment; he will even hold Ahrimanic views and he himself has an Ahrimanic physiognomy. He can perceive only those human beings who have a similar appearance. All this must remain purely an experience in the soul. If Ahriman could now intervene and influence the astral body, this would become a force which Ahriman could propel into man—a force which would not only gradually find its karmic balance but would bring man into too close a connection with the Earth. That indeed is the endeavour of Ahrimanic beings. While a man after death in his spirit-form still resembles his earthly form, the Ahrimanic powers strive to gain access to him by way of the evil impulses he carries with him through the gate of death. They want to permeate this spirit-form with forces, to draw as many of such beings as possible down to earthly existence and so to establish there an Ahrimanic Earth-humanity.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"2. The Effect Of The Soul Upon Physical Man","site_heading":null,"date":"1923-11-24","location":null,"word_count":334,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/232/1923-11-24/p030","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"E. H. Goddard and Dorothy S. 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Das muß geregelt werden; es muß geregelt werden in der Gesamtentwickelung des Menschen. Daher war es notwendig geworden, daß diese urweisen Lehrer der Menschheit von der Erde, auf der sie diese Regelung nicht hätten vornehmen können, weil sie nicht während des menschlichen Erdenlebens vorgenommen werden kann, und der Mensch außerhalb des Erdenlebens eben nicht auf der Erde ist - deshalb war es notwendig, daß diese urweisen Lehrer der Menschheit von der Erde weggehen mußten, auf dem Monde ihr Dasein weiterfanden. Denn jetzt, nachdem sie nach dem Monde gezogen waren - und hier komme ich dazu, eben die Menschensprache gebrauchen zu müssen für etwas, was man eigentlich in andere Wortbilder kleiden möchte, — kamen diese Wesenheiten, also diese urweisen Lehrer, dazu, während ihres Mondendaseins Verträge zu suchen mit den ahrimanischen und mit den luziferischen Mächten. Und dem Menschen wäre besonders schädlich das Auftreten der ahrimanischen Mächte in seinem Dasein nach dem Tode; wenn diese ahrimanischen Wesenheiten da wirklich auf ihn einen Einfluß nehmen könnten. Denn sehen Sie, wenn da der Mensch durch des Todes Pforte geht und irgend etwas Böses in den Nachwirkungen in seiner Seele trägt, so befindet er sich ja, wie ich Ihnen gesagt habe, ganz in ahrimanischer Umgebung, ja sogar in ahrimanischen Anschauungen. Er selber hat eine ahrimanische Physiognomie. Er hat nur eine Wahrnehmung für diejenigen menschlichen Wesenheiten, die auch eine ahrimanische Physiognomie an sich tragen. Das muß so bleiben, daß es bloß seelisches Erleben des Menschen ist. Könnte Ahriman jetzt eingreifen, könnte er den astralischen Leib beeinflussen, dann würde dies eine Kraft werden, die da Ahriman in den Menschen hineinimpulsieren könnte, die nicht nur nach und nach karmisch sich ausgleichen würde, sondern die den Menschen ganz nahe verwandt der Erde machen würde, die den Menschen in zu starken Zusammenhang mit dem Irdischen bringen würde. Das streben auch die ahrimanischen Mächte an. Sie möchten bei denjenigen menschlichen Wesen, bei denen es anginge, durch das, was sie an bösen Impulsen durch die Pforte des Todes tragen, nach dem Tode einsetzen, wo der Mensch noch in seiner Geistgestalt ähnlich ist der irdischen Gestalt. Da möchten sie diese Geistgestalt mit Kräften durchdringen, möglichst viele solche Wesenheiten nahe ans Erdendasein heranziehen und sozusagen eine ahrimanische Erdenmenschheit begründen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":377,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/232/1923-11-24/p033"}],"english":["GA 232/1923-11-24/p030"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":377,"en_words":334,"ratio":0.89,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.92,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4946,"original_word_count":5362,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"E. H. Goddard and Dorothy S. 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