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But the old painters too, even those living in the epoch of Leonardo and Raphael would still have been able to say and would moreover have felt it in their own way: ‘Paint for me, O Muse, paint for me, O Divine Power, direct my hands, carry soul into my hands so that the brush in my hands is guided by you.’ It is very important to understand this close union of man with the spiritual in all situations of life, especially in the most significant.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"2. The Effect Of The Soul Upon Physical Man","site_heading":null,"date":"1923-11-24","location":null,"word_count":226,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/232/1923-11-24/p043","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"E. H. Goddard and Dorothy S. 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