{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 233/1923-12-28/p016","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"In the Oriental Mysteries, if one wanted to know something of the sublime and tremendous experience that was possible in these Mysteries, one had always to wait until the right *time*. Some experience or other could perhaps only be found by making the appropriate sacrifice, the appropriate super-sensible ‘experiments’ as it were, in Autumn,—another only in Spring, another again at Midsummer, and another in the depth of Winter. Or again it might be that sacrifices were made to certain Gods at a time determined by a particular constellation of the Moon. At that special time the Gods would appear in the Mysteries, and men would come thither to be present at their manifestations. When the time had gone by one would have to wait, perhaps thirty years, until the opportunity should come again when those Divinities should once more reveal themselves in the Mysteries. All that related to Saturn, for example, could only enter the region of the Mysteries every thirty years; all that was concerned with the Moon about every eighteen years. And so on. The priests of the Oriental Mysteries were dependent on time, and also on place and on all manner of circumstances for receiving the sublime and tremendous knowledge and vision that came to them. Quite different manifestations were received deep in a mountain cave and high on the mountain top. Or again, the revelations were different, according as one was far inland in Asia or on the coast. Thus a certain dependence on place and time was characteristic of the Mysteries of the East.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Mysteries of the East, West, and of Ephesus","site_heading":"Ephesus: Bridge Between Eastern and Western Mysteries","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1923-12-28","location":null,"word_count":259,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/233/1923-12-28/p016","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"George and Mary Adams and Dorothy S. 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Dann mußte man wiederum, sagen wir, dreißig Jahre warten, bis wiederum dieselbe Gelegenheit war, daß irgendeine Götterwesenheit sich in den Mysterien zeigte. Zum Beispiel alles dasjenige, was sich auf Saturn bezog, konnte nur alle dreißig Jahre irgendwie in den Bereich der Mysterien treten, alles was sich auf den Mond bezog, ungefähr immer in achtzehn Jahren und so weiter. So daß die Priesterweisen der orientalischen Mysterien die grandiosen, gigantischen Erkenntnisse und Anschauungen, die sie gewannen, eben nur in Abhängigkeit von Zeit und Raum und allem möglichen bekamen. Man bekam zum Beispiel ganz andere Offenbarungen tief in Berghöhlen drinnen, andere Offenbarungen auf den Gipfeln der Berge. Man bekam andere Offenbarungen, wenn man irgendwie tiefer in Asien drüben war oder an der Küste war und dergleichen. Also eine gewisse Abhängigkeit von Raum und Zeit auf der Erde, das war das Charakteristische gerade der Mysterien des Orients.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":248,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/233/1923-12-28/p014"}],"english":["GA 233/1923-12-28/p016"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":248,"en_words":259,"ratio":1.04,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.15,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6034,"original_word_count":5250,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George and Mary Adams and Dorothy S. 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