{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 236/1924-05-29/p035","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Acquaintance with the Beings of the Jupiter-sphere makes a very remarkable impression.—One must of course have passed the age of 56 before this experience is possible.—The first impression is one of astonishment that Beings like those belonging to the Jupiter-sphere can exist at all.—I mean that as a man on earth one is astonished, not as a man between death and rebirth; for then, of course, one is actually connected with these Jupiter Beings. They are Beings who need not ‘learn’ anything, because the moment they take form—I cannot say ‘the moment they are born’ as you will presently see—they are already wise, supremely wise. They are never stupid, never unwise. They are as men on earth would often like to be—men who do not appreciate the blessings of being taught and would prefer to be wise directly they are born. These Beings on Jupiter are not ‘born’; they simply arise out of the whole organism of Jupiter. Rather in the way that we see clouds forming out of the atmosphere, so do these Beings arise out of Jupiter, and once they are there they can be regarded as embodied wisdom. Neither do they die; they are merely transformed, they undergo metamorphosis. Jupiter is in essence *weaving wisdom*. Picture yourselves standing, let us say, on the Rigi, and looking down at the clouds. And now imagine that you are looking, not upon weaving clouds of water-vapour but upon weaving wisdom itself, weaving thought-images which are actually *Beings*.—Then you will have an impression of Jupiter.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Influence of the Hierarchies, Planetary Beings, Voltaire","site_heading":"Karma Elaboration in Planetary Spheres Between Deaths","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1924-05-29","location":null,"word_count":254,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/236/1924-05-29/p035","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"George Adams. Revised by M. Cotterell, C. Davy and D.S. 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Sie sind nie dumm, sie sind nie unweise, sie werden so gebildet, wie die Menschen auf Erden oftmals auch gebildet sein möchten: wenn sie die Wohltat des Unterrichtes nicht zu schätzen wissen, möchten sie vielleicht auch gleich weise geboren sein. Aber diese Wesenheiten auf dem Jupiter werden überhaupt nicht geboren, sondern sie entstehen aus dem ganzen Jupiterorganismus heraus. Etwa so, wie bei uns die Wolken sich bilden aus der Atmosphäre, so entstehen diese Wesenheiten aus dem Ganzen des Jupiter heraus und entstehen so, daß man sie eigentlich als die verkörperte Weisheit ansehen kann, wenn sie einmal entstanden sind. In der Jupiterregion selbst sterben sie auch nicht, sondern sie verwandeln sich. Der Jupiter ist nämlich eigentlich webende Weisheit. Stellen Sie sich meinetwillen vor, daß sie vom Rigi herunterschauen und da die webenden Wolken sehen, und denken Sie sich, Sie hätten den Eindruck, daß das nicht webende, wässerige Wolken sind, sondern webende Weisheit selber, webende Gedankenbilder, die aber Wesenheiten sind, dann haben Sie den Eindruck vom Jupiter.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":281,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/236/1924-05-29/p037"}],"english":["GA 236/1924-05-29/p035"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":281,"en_words":254,"ratio":0.9,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.99,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4185,"original_word_count":4220,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams. Revised by M. Cotterell, C. Davy and D.S. 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