{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 237/1924-07-11/p022","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now when these human beings—who had the distinct perception of the astral and the etheric body—passed through the gate of death, then also they were different from the others. Nor must we imagine, my dear friends, that man between death and a new birth is altogether without share in what is taking place through human beings on the earth. Just as we look up from here into the spiritual world of heaven, so between death and a new birth man looks down from that world on to the earth. Just as we here partake with interest in the life of spiritual beings, so from the spiritual world one partakes in the experiences of earthly beings upon the earth. After the age which I have hitherto been describing there came the time when Christendom in Europe was arranging its existence under the assumption that man has no longer any knowledge of his astral or his etheric body. Christianity was now preparing to speak about the spiritual worlds without being able to presume any such knowledge or consciousness among men. For you must think, my dear friends, when the early Christian teachers, in the first few centuries, spoke to *their* Christians—though they already found a large number who were only able to accept the truth of their words by external authority—nevertheless the simpler, more child-like feeling of that time enabled men to accept such words, when spoken from a warm and enthusiastic heart. And of the warmth and enthusiasm of heart with which the men of those first Christian centuries could preach, people today, where so much has gone into the mere preaching-of-words, have no conception. Those however who were still able to speak to souls such as I have described today,—what kind of words could *they* speak? They, my dear friends, could say: “Behold what shows itself in the rainbow-shining glory over the plants, what shows itself as the desire-nature about the animals,—lo, this is the reflection, this is the manifestation of the spiritual world from which the Christ has come.” Speaking to such men about the truths of spiritual wisdom, they could speak, not as of a thing unknown, but in such a way as to remind their hearers of what they could still behold under certain conditions in the gently luminous light of the sun: The Spirit in the world of Nature. Again when they spoke to them of the Gospels which tell of spiritual worlds and spiritual Mysteries or of the secrets of the Old Testament, then again they spoke to them not as of a thing unknown, but they could say: “Here is the Word of the Testament. It has been written down by human beings, who heard, more fully and clearly than you, the whispered language of that spiritual world in which your souls are dwelling from the time you fall asleep till you awaken. But you too know something of this language, for you remember it when you awaken in the morning.” Thus it was possible to speak to them of the spiritual as of something known to them. In the conversation of the priests or preachers of that time with these men, something was contained of what was already going on in their own souls. So in that time the Word was still alive and could be cultivated in a living way.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"V. 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Denn bedenken Sie nur, meine lieben Freunde: Wenn die alten christlichen Lehrer in den ersten Jahrhunderten zu ihren Christen sprachen, so fanden sie in der Tat schon eine große Zahl von solchen, die nur auf die äußere Autorität hin die Worte als wahr hinnehmen konnten; aber die noch naivere Stimmung der damaligen Zeit ließ eben diese Worte hinnehmen, wenn sie aus warmem, enthusiastischem Herzen gesprochen waren. Und wie warm und enthusiastisch Herzen in den ersten Jahrhunderten das Christentum predigten, davon macht man sich heute, wo so vieles in eine bloße Wortpredigt übergegangen ist, keinen Begriff mehr.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":160,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/237/1924-07-11/p022"},{"locus":"GA 237/1924-07-11/p023","passage_number":23,"text":"Aber diejenigen, die sprechen konnten zu solchen Seelen, wie ich sie hier geschildert habe, was konnten die für Worte sprechen? Ja, meine lieben Freunde, die konnten sagen: Schaut hin auf dasjenige, was sich in regenbogenschillerndem Scheine über den Pflanzen, was sich an Begierdenhaftem an den Tieren zeigt, schaut hin: das ist der Abglanz, das ist die Offenbarung der geistigen Welt, von der auch wir sprechen, der geistigen Welt, aus der heraus der Christus stammt. Man sprach gewissermaßen, indem man zu solchen Menschen von den geistigen Weistümern sprach, nicht von etwas Unbekanntem; man sprach zu ihnen, indem man sie erinnern konnte an dasjenige, was sie unter gewissen Umständen in der milden Sonnenbeleuchtung schauen konnten als den Geist in der Natur.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":119,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/237/1924-07-11/p023"},{"locus":"GA 237/1924-07-11/p024","passage_number":24,"text":"Und wiederum, wenn man ihnen davon sprach, daß das Evangelium da ist, welches von der geistigen Welt, von den geistigen Geheimnissen verkündet, wenn man ihnen sprach von den Geheimnissen des Alten Testamentes, dann sprach man ihnen wieder nicht von etwas Unbekanntem, sondern man konnte ihnen sagen: Hier ist das Wort des Testamentes; dieses Wort des Testamentes ist von jenen Menschenwesen aufgeschrieben, die zwar deutlicher als ihr vernommen haben das Raunen jener Geistigkeit, in der eure Seelen zwischen dem Einschlafen und Aufwachen sind, aber ihr wißt von diesem Raunen, denn ihr erinnert euch daran, wenn ihr am Morgen aufgewacht seid. Und so konnte man davon zu diesen Menschen als von etwas Bekanntem sprechen. So war in gewisser Weise in dem Gespräche, das die Priester, das die Prediger der damaligen Zeit mit diesen Menschen führten, etwas darinnen von dem, was in den Seelen dieser Menschen selber sich abspielte. Und so war in dieser Zeit das Wort noch lebendig und konnte als Lebendiges gepflegt werden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":162,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/237/1924-07-11/p024"}],"english":["GA 237/1924-07-11/p022"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":441,"en_words":558,"ratio":1.27,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.1,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4860,"original_word_count":4407,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams. Revised by D.S. 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