{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 237/1924-08-01/p044","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"There are the human beings after all, who have been always there. They are always there. They have come, and they will come ever and again. There are those who are prepared in some sense to depart from the world and come together in this which is now called the Anthroposophical Society. As to the sense in which this ‘departure from the world’ is to be conceived—whether it be more or less real, or outwardly formal or the like—that is another matter. For the individual souls it *is* a kind of departure—a going away from the world and into something different from the world in which they have grown up. All manner of karmic experiences come to the individual, each in his own way. The one will have this or that to undergo through the fact that he must tear himself loose from old connections and unite with those who are seeking to cultivate the message of Michael. There are some who feel this union with the mission of Michael as a kind of salvation. There are others who feel it in a different way, finding themselves in this position: ‘I am drawn to Michael on the one hand and to Ahrimanism on the other. I cannot choose. Through my life I stand in the midst of these things.’ There are some whose inner courage tears them away, albeit they still preserve the outward connections. There are some who still find the outer connections easily. And this perhaps is best for the present condition of the Anthroposophical Society. But in every case, those human beings who are within the Anthroposophical Movement stand face to face with others who are not in it, including some with whom they are deeply, karmically connected from former earthly lives. Here we can look into the strangest of karmic threads.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"VIII. Ahriman's Fight Against the Michael Principle — The Message of Michael","site_heading":null,"date":"1924-08-01","location":null,"word_count":305,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/237/1924-08-01/p044","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"George Adams. Revised by D.S. Osmond","identified_edition":"RSP1977","book_title":"Karmic Relationships  III","publisher":"Rudolf Steiner Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA237/English/RSP1977/19240801p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Der eine erlebt das oder jenes dadurch, daß er sich aus Zusammenhängen herausreißen muß, daß er sich vereinigt mit denen, die die Michael-Botschaft pflegen wollen. Da sind solche, die diesen Anschluß an die Michael-Botschaft wie eine Art von Erlösung empfinden. Dann sind aber solche, die es empfinden, als ob sie in eine Lage versetzt sind wie etwa: Ich werde hingezogen zu Michael auf der einen Seite, zu dem Ahrimanismus auf der anderen Seite; ich kann nicht wählen, ich stecke durch das Leben darinnen! — Da sind solche, die ihr Mut herausreißt, die aber noch einen äußeren Zusammenhang haben. Da sind solche, die leicht den äußeren Zusammenhang finden; auch das ist möglich, und vielleicht sogar für den heutigen Zustand der Anthroposophischen Gesellschaft noch das Allerbeste. Aber immer stehen Menschen, die innerhalb der anthroposophischen Bewegung stehen, anderen gegenüber, die nicht darinnen stehen, auch solchen, mit denen sie von früheren Erdenleben her karmisch tief verbunden sind. Da sehen wir dann hinein in die merkwürdigsten karmischen Fäden.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":270,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/237/1924-08-01/p042"}],"english":["GA 237/1924-08-01/p044"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":270,"en_words":305,"ratio":1.13,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.08,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":4872,"original_word_count":4510,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams. Revised by D.S. 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