{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 239/1924-04-05/p008","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The other aspect—a very far reaching one—is the following. In studying Spiritual Science we must always have in our minds that in olden times there were Initiates, seers, men of vision in the widest sense. And the question may be asked: Since these wise men of times gone by must reincarnate, where are they working now, in the modern age? Where are they, these great personalities who worked as Initiates in the past?—They have indeed come again but it must be remembered that when a human being is born in a particular epoch he is obliged to use the body provided by that epoch. The bodies of olden days were more pliant, more flexible, yielding more readily to the spirit; and in earthly existence man must use the body to transform into earthly shape and earthly activity what was imbued into him before he came down to the Earth. Faced with conditions that are so full of riddles, we must remember—and no criticism is here implied—that for centuries now the effect of the whole of education upon the human organism has been such that what was once alive in an Initiate simply cannot come to expression. Much has to remain concealed in the deep substrata of existence. And for this reason, many Initiates of bygone days appear again as personalities who with the concepts and notions prevailing to-day cannot be recognised as former Initiates because they are obliged to use the body which their epoch provides.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Karma Across Incarnations: Garibaldi, Byron, Marx","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Wir müssen ja immer darauf aufmerksam machen, wenn wir geisteswissenschaftliche Betrachtungen anstellen, wie es in alten Zeiten Eingeweihte, Initiierte, Besitzer und Eigentümer der Weltenschau im weitesten Sinne gegeben hat. Die Frage kann nun entstehen: Da ja auch diese Weisen der alten Zeiten sich wiederverkörpern müssen, wo sind sie dann in der neueren Zeit? Und mancher könnte fragen: Wo sind denn die großen Persönlichkeiten der alten Zeit, die als Initiierte gewirkt haben, in späteren Zeiten wirksam? Sehen Sie, sie sind wiedergekommen, diese großen Eingeweihten, aber Sie müssen bedenken, meine lieben Freunde, wie der Mensch, wenn er in irgendeinem Zeitalter erscheint, darauf angewiesen ist, den Körper zu benutzen, den ihm irgendein Zeitalter gibt. Die Körper der alten Zeiten waren gefügiger, waren für den Geist plastischer, biegsamer; und innerhalb des Erdenlebens braucht man den Körper, um dasjenige, was man in sich aufgenommen hat, bevor man heruntergestiegen ist in das Erdenleben, auch wirklich in Erdenoffenbarung und Erdentun umzusetzen. Und so müssen wir gerade bei einer solchen Rätselfrage bedenken —- und damit soll gar keine Kritik geübt werden -, wie ja die ganze Erziehung der ganzen neueren Zeit schon seit Jahrhunderten so ist, daß der menschliche Organismus so wird, daß in unserem Leben gar nicht zur Erscheinung kommen kann, was im Eingeweihten gelebt hat. Es muß vieles ganz in den Untergründen des Daseins bleiben. 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