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The whole working of the Saturn sphere is conditioned by the fact that in all the Beings of this sphere there is an intense, all-pervading consciousness of the *past*, and more or less unconsciousness of the immediate present. This makes a deep and shattering impression. The immediate deeds of the Saturn Beings, even including the deeds of the Seraphim, are performed in a kind of unconsciousness. These Beings are not aware, in the immediate present, of what is happening to them and through them; but they know at once, with unerring exactitude, what they have done, what they have thought, what has taken place among them, directly it has actually happened.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Saturn Sphere's Role in Shaping Human Karma","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Sie wissen ja - ich habe es erwähnt -, daß man auch mit det Initiations-Einsicht, um alle Zusammenhänge selbständig zu überschauen, zurückblicken muß von einem über das dreiundsechzigste Jahr hinausgehenden Lebensalter auf die Lebensepoche vom sechsundfünfzigsten bis zum dreiundsechzigsten Lebensjahr, damit man dasjenige, was von der Saturnsphäre aus auf den Menschen wirken kann, im ganzen Zusammenhange des geistigen Lebens und Webens des Weltenalls beurteilen kann. Denn alles, was im Zusammenhange mit der Saturnsphäre wirkt, ist ja so, daß eigentlich innerhalb der Saturnsphäre ein starkes, ein durchdringendes Bewußtsein bei allen Wesenheiten ist über das Vergangene, und mehr oder weniger Unbewußtheit herrscht über das Gegenwärtige. Das macht einen erschütternden Eindruck. 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