{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 246/1911-06-07/p016","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"This connection was most powerful with those teachers whom we call the sacred rishis of the Indians, the sacred teachers of the first post-Atlantean culture, that first Indian culture which spread throughout a certain area of Asia. When the Atlantean catastrophe had passed, the physiognomy of the earth had changed and the new organization of Asia, Europe and Africa had developed in the eastern hemisphere, the culture of the ancient great teachers of India was at work - even before the time to which we have now alluded from the legends of the Egyptians themselves. People today will generally have a rather false mental image of these great teachers of India. For if, for example, a scholar of today - a person who is called a “scholar” today - were to meet one of the great teachers of ancient India, he would make strange eyes and perhaps say: “This is supposed to be a ”sage\"? I have never imagined a sage like that! - Because in the sense of what is wise or clever in today's scholars, the ancient holy teachers of India had nothing clever to say. They were all simple-minded people in the modern sense; people who answered in the simplest possible way even to questions of everyday life. And there were many, many times when you couldn't get much out of them other than this or that word, which would seem quite simple to a scholar today. But again, there were certain times for the holy teachers of India when they presented themselves as something other than mere plain men. At these times they had to be together in the number seven, because what each one of them could feel had to sound together harmoniously as in an octave of seven notes, so that each one had the possibility of feeling this or that according to his particular instrument and his particular development. And out of the harmony of what each individual felt, there then arose that which sounds out as the primordial wisdom, if we understand how to decipher the real occult documents, those documents which are not the Vedas or the Vedanta - however much we admire Vedas or Vedanta; but what the holy Rishis taught is much earlier still, and only a faint echo of it is what we have before us in the Vedas.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"43. The Spiritual Guidance of Man and Humanity III","site_heading":null,"date":"1911-06-07","location":null,"word_count":391,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/246/1911-06-07/p016","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"Supplements to Member Lectures","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA246/English/SOL2025/19110607s01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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The wording is the note-taker's as much as Steiner's: weigh a single striking phrase here far more cautiously than the same phrase in a stenographic volume, and do not rest an argument on one word.","evidence":"Nach zum Teil bruchstückhaften Mitschriften","evidence_translation":"From transcripts that are in part fragmentary","evidence_source":"The publisher's description of the volume, as mirrored on AnthroWiki (GA 246), which also speaks of \"fragmentarischen Hörernotizen und Vortragszusammenfassungen\". The translation is the maintainer's, not a published one."},"paired_german":{"status":"paired","german":[{"locus":"GA 246/1911-06-07/p016","passage_number":16,"text":"Am gewaltigsten war dieser Zusammenhang bei denjenigen Lehrern, die wir als die heiligen Rishis der Inder bezeichnen, die heiligen Lehrer der ersten nachatlantischen Kultur, jener ersten indischen Kultur, die sich ausgebreitet hat in einem gewissen Gebiet von Asien. Als die atlantische Katastrophe vorübergegangen war, die Physiognomie der Erde sich verändert hatte und die neue Gestaltung Asiens, Europas und Afrikas auf der östlichen Halbkugel sich entwickelt hatte, da wirkte - und zwar noch vor der Zeit, auf die wir jetzt als aus den Sagen der Ägypter selbst hingedeutet haben - die Kultur der alten großen Lehrer Indiens. Der heutige Mensch wird sich im Allgemeinen eine recht falsche Vorstellung von diesen großen Lehrern Indiens machen. Denn wenn zum Beispiel einem heutigen Gelehrten - einem Menschen, den man heute einen «Gelehrten» nennt -, einer der großen Lehrer des alten Indiens gegenübertreten würde, so würde er sonderbare Augen machen und würde vielleicht sagen: Das soll ein «Weiser» sein? So habe ich mir nie einen Weisen vorgestellt! - Denn im Sinne dessen, was bei dem heutigen Gelehrten klug oder gescheit ist, haben die alten heiligen Lehrer Indiens nichts Gescheites zu sagen gewusst. Das waren alles im heutigen Sinne einfältige, schlichteste Menschen; Menschen, die in der allereinfachsten Weise geantwortet haben selbst auf Fragen des alltäglichen Lebens. Und es gab viele, viele Zeiten, in denen man aus ihnen nicht viel anderes herausbringen konnte, als dieses oder jenes Wort, das einem heutigen Gelehrten recht einfach scheinen würde. Aber es gab auch wieder für die heiligen Lehrer Indiens bestimmte Zeiten, wo sie sich als etwas anderes, denn als bloße schlichte Menschen darstellten. In diesen Zeiten mussten sie dann in der Siebenzahl beieinander sein, weil das, was jeder Einzelne von ihnen empfinden konnte, harmonisch wie in einer Oktave von sieben Tönen zusammenklingen musste, sodass also jeder nach seinem besonderen Instrument und seiner besonderen Entwicklung die Möglichkeit hatte, dies oder jenes zu empfinden. Und aus dem Zusammenklang dessen, was jeder Einzelne empfand, entstand dann das, was als die Urweisheit herausklingt, wenn wir die wirklichen okkulten Urkunden zu entziffern verstehen, jene Urkunden, die nicht etwa die Veden oder das Vedanta sind - so sehr wir auch Veden oder Vedanta bewundern; sondern, was die heiligen Rishis gelehrt haben, das liegt noch viel früher, und nur ein schwacher Nachklang davon ist das, was wir in den Veden vor uns haben.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":386,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/246/1911-06-07/p016"}],"english":["GA 246/1911-06-07/p016"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":386,"en_words":391,"ratio":1.01,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.03,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7602,"original_word_count":7380,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"Supplements to Member Lectures","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA246/English/SOL2025/19110607s01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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