{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 254/1915-10-17/p046","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"As you see, the preparation for our present study was made already a long time ago.—Within man as he now is, the Old Moon-man is present, but in a form that must be pictured as containing nothing mineral whatever. If you envisage earthly man in such a way that you see his mineral constituents only, you must picture the Moon-man within him. (A sketch was made on the blackboard.) But there is nothing mineral in this Moon-man, hence he cannot be seen with physical eyes but only with spiritual sight. A Moon-form underlies certain members of physical man, is contained within them, but can be perceived only with the eye of clairvoyance. Needless to say, what is there within was present on the Old Moon. But just remember how it was seen on the Old Moon. It was seen through Imaginative Cognition—in surging, undulating pictures. These are still present today, but to behold them, atavistic clairvoyance, at that time at least, was necessary. The Old Moon-man could be perceived only by atavistic clairvoyance, which in that era was the normal faculty of vision. Consequently everything that is connected with this Old Moon evolution can also be seen only in Imaginations, with the ancient visionary clairvoyance. It must never be thought that the Moon-man could be formed out of the mineral Earth; he was the product of the Old Moon as it can be seen in Imaginative clairvoyance. And so in connection with the Old Moon we must picture to ourselves that the whole environment was visible to the Imaginative clairvoyance of the Moon-men just as our own environment, with plants, animals, rivers, mountains, is visible to physical eyes.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Materialism, Mediumship, and the Distortion of Occult Truth","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1915-10-17","location":null,"word_count":278,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/254/1915-10-17/p046","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Dorothy S. 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Die ist da drinnen, aber das wird nur einem hellseherischen Blicke klar. Selbstverständlich war dasjenige, was da drinnen ist, auf dem alten Monde da. Aber erinnern Sie sich doch nur, wie das gesehen wurde auf dem alten Monde: es wurde durch imaginative Erkenntnis gesehen. Es waren wogende, wallende Bilder. Die finden Sie auch heute noch; aber sie mußten — wenigstens dazumal — mit atavistischem Hellsehen angeschaut werden. Der alte Mondmensch konnte nur mit atavistischem Hellsehen erfaßt werden. Dazumal war dies das normale Schauen. Schließlich kann auch alles dasjenige, was mit dieser alten Mondenentwickelung zusammenhängt, nur in Imaginationen, im alten visionären Hellsehen angeschaut werden. Aus der mineralischen Erde kann der Mondmensch nimmermehr herausgebildet werden, er kann nur aus dem im imaginativen Hellsehen erfaßbaren Monde herausgebildet werden. So müssen wir uns auch für die alte Mondenzeit vorstellen, daß die ganze Umgebung — so wie unsere Umgebung, also Pflanzen, Tiere, Flüsse, Berge, für das physische Auge sichtbar ist — für das imaginative Hellsehen der Mondenmenschen sichtbar war.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":270,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/254/1915-10-17/p045"}],"english":["GA 254/1915-10-17/p046"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":270,"en_words":278,"ratio":1.03,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","reader"],"reader_german":["GA 254/1915-10-17/p045"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.02,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6934,"original_word_count":6826,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Dorothy S. 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