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He was the same man who had the dispute with the botanist Schleiden about the influence of the moon on various processes on Earth. I have told you how Professor Schleiden and Professor Fechner were then supposed to decide which of the two was right. This is also the same man who tried to gain a kind of idealistic-spiritual worldview from his struggle. You can see how he tried to do this from the description I gave of Gustav Theodor Fechner in my “Riddles of Philosophy.”","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Thirteenth Lecture","site_heading":"Modern Consciousness and the Struggle for Spiritual Knowledge","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Der Mann, der das geschrieben hat, im Jahre 1821 — er nannte sich dazumal Dr. Mises -, das ist derselbe, den Sie aus der wissenschaftlichen Literatur kennen als Professor Gustav Theodor Fechner, derselbe, der in den fünfziger Jahren versuchte, eine Ästhetik von unten herauf zu begründen auf Grundlage von sinnlich-anschaulichen Experimenten, nicht von oben herunter, das heißt aus dem Gedanken- und Empfindungsmaterial der Seele heraus. Das war ein Mann, der, man kann wirklich sagen, alle Qualen des Erkenntnisringens des 19. Jahrhunderts durchgemacht hat. Es war derselbe Mann, der den Streit hatte mit dem Botaniker Schleiden über die Einwirkung des Mondes auf verschiedene Vorgänge der Erde. Ich habe Ihnen erzählt, wie dann durch Frau Professor Schleiden und Frau Professor Fechner hat entschieden werden sollen, wer von beiden recht hatte. Das ist auch derselbe Mann, der versucht hat, aus seinem Ringen heraus eine Art idealistisch-spirituelle Weltanschauung zu gewinnen. 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