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I do not need to dwell at length on the question that was once put to me when I gave a lecture many years ago on Goethe's “Fairytale of the Green Snake and the Beautiful Lily”, and a theosophical authority of the old school asked me whether I thought that Goethe knew everything that was said from the spiritual science to justify the deeper secret of the poem of the green snake and the beautiful lily. I could only reply whether the person in question believed that the plant also knows exactly what the botanist makes about it in order to be able to grow in the right way according to the botanical laws. When one hears such a question, one is usually aware of how clever the questioner feels. But if one thinks such a question through to its conclusion, then one realizes how endlessly foolish people often are, who think of themselves as being so clever. So we need not concern ourselves further with the question of whether Goethe, for instance, also studied spiritual science somewhere in the way we can study it today, even if objections can very easily be made from a point of view that considers this question. We want to go straight to the matter itself.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"12. The “Entombment” the Essence of the Lemurs, the Fat and Scrawny Devil","site_heading":null,"date":"1916-09-04","location":null,"word_count":295,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/272/1916-09-04/p006","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Faust, the Striving Human Being","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA272/English/SOL2024/19160904p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Wir brauchen uns nicht erst lange zu befassen mit der Frage, die einmal an mich gestellt worden ist, als ich vor vielen Jahren einen Vortrag hielt über Goethes «Märchen von der grünen Schlange und der schönen Lilie», und mich eine theosophische Autorität der alten Schule fragte, ob ich denn meine, daß Goethe das alles gewußt habe, was da zur Rechtfertigung des tieferen Geheimnisses der Dichtung von der grünen Schlange und der schönen Lilie aus der Geisteswissenschaft heraus gesagt worden ist. Ich konnte nur erwidern, ob denn der Betreffende glaube, daß auch die Pflanze alles ganz genau weiß, was der Botaniker über sie ausmacht, um wachsen zu können in der richtigen Weise nach den botanischen Gesetzen. Wenn man eine solche Frage hört, so hat man gewöhnlich das Bewußtsein, wie gescheit sich der Fragende vorkommt. Aber wenn man eine solche Frage im Zusammenhange denkt, dann kommt man darauf, wie unendlich töricht die Menschen oftmals sind, welche sich gar so gescheit dünken. Also mit der Frage, ob etwa Goethe auch noch irgendwo Geisteswissenschaft so studiert hat, wie wir sie heute studieren können, brauchen wir uns nicht weiter zu befassen, wenn auch gerade Einwände von einem Gesichtspunkte, der diese Frage ins Auge faßt, sehr leicht gemacht werden können. 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