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As I said, this is because between the world that we observe with our senses and understand with our intellect, and that world from which the -physical one arises, there is a borderland as it were, a sphere where one may easily fall into deception and illusion when not sufficiently developed and prepared. It might be said that only in the world comprehended by the senses are there definite forms, definite outlines and boundaries. These do not exist in the world that is on other side of the border. This is something that it is very difficult to get the modern materialistic intellect to grasp—that in the moment that the threshold is passed everything is in constant movement, and the world of the senses rises out of all this continual movement like petrified forms.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":162,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p009","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. 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It is Mephistopheles, the force of evil working into the physical, who takes him over to the other world.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":51,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p010","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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But in what is meant to proceed between Faust and Mephistopheles this is not the case. Faust has actually to produce the departed Paris and Helen; therefore he does not only have to look into the spiritual world, he does not have to be an initiate only, but a magician, and must accomplish magical actions. It very clearly shown here in the way this scene is handled by Goethe how deeply familiar he was with certain hidden things in the human soul. The state of Faust's consciousness has to be changed. But at the same time he has to be given power to act out of supersensible impulses.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":260,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p011","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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And Faust is to become acquainted with the forces that are there below.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":100,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p012","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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One has a quite wrong and materialistically biased notion if one imagines that there lie already formed in the woman all the forces that lead to the physical human embryo. That is not so. A working of the cosmic forces of the spheres takes place; into the woman work cosmic forces. The human embryo is always a result of cosmic activity. What is described in materialistic natural science as the germ-cell is in a certain measure produced out of the mother alone, but it is a counterpart of the great cosmic germ-cell.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":225,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p013","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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No wonder then that Faust has the feeling that an unknown kingdom is making its presence felt when the word ‘Mothers’ is spoken.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":109,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p014","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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This naturally should be understood as a significant factor in Faust is development.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":131,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p015","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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Mephistopheles really puts himself in a very awkward situation. However, he has to do something. He has to give Faust the possibility of fulfilling his promise. He hopes that in some way or another the matter may arrange itself, for he wants neither of the alternatives. He does not want Faust to grow away from him nor does he wish him to be completely paralysed.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":203,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/273/1917-11-02/p016","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"George Adams","identified_edition":"UNK1930","book_title":"The Problem of Faust","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA273/English/UNK1930/19171102p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row"},"entity_parity":{"status":"not_checkable","note":"No verified paragraph alignment covers this passage, so its names cannot be compared with the German."},"note":"quote_safe certifies the bytes of this text. This block is about the translation as a WITNESS: who made it, and whether it carries the same names as the original. 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