{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 276/1923-05-20/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Thus ancient poetic drama never presented common man, for the reason that mankind's ancient dramatic phantasy would have considered it absurd to let ordinary human beings converse and carry out all kinds of gestures on the stage. Such a fact may sound paradoxical today, but the anthroposophical researcher—knowing all the objections of his opponents—must nevertheless state the truth. The Greeks prior to Sophocles and Aeschylus would have asked: Why present something on the stage which exists, anyhow, in life? We need only to walk on the street or enter a room to see human beings conversing and gesturing. This we see everywhere. Why present it on a stage? To do so would have seemed foolish.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VIII","site_heading":"Art's Return to the Spiritual: Color, Music, and Poetry","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1923-05-20","location":null,"word_count":115,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/276/1923-05-20/p030","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Lisa D. 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Wenn in den ältesten Zeiten in dramatischen Gestaltungen niemals der äußere Mensch dargestellt worden ist, so ist es daher — das klingt wiederum paradox für die Menschen der Gegenwart, der anthroposophische Forscher weiß das natürlich, er muß das sagen, trotzdem es paradox klingt, er weiß die Einwände, die gemacht werden können, ebenso wie die Gegner sie wissen, aber es muß doch dieses Paradoxe gesagt werden -, weil die älteste dramatische Phantasie der Menschheit es als absurd empfunden hätte, gewöhnliche Menschen auf die Bühne zu stellen, die allerlei sich sagen, allerlei Gesten gegeneinander machen. Warum soll man denn das tun? - So würde noch ein Grieche der vorsophokleischen [Zeit], namentlich der Zeit vor dem Äschylos sich gesagt haben. Warum denn? Das ist ja im Leben ohnedies vorhanden. Da brauchen wir nur in die Straßen und Zimmer zu gehen, da sehen wir, wie die Menschen miteinander reden, wie die Menschen Gebärden gegeneinander machen. Wozu das? Das haben wir immer vor uns. Warum sollen wir das noch extra auf die Bühne hinstellen? - Närrisch wäre das noch den ältesten Griechen vorgekommen, gewöhnliche Menschen, die man in ihren Handlungen alltäglich sieht, noch extra auf die Bühne hinzustellen. Dasjenige, was man wollte, war, den Gott im Menschen zu ergreifen. Wenn man den Menschen auf die Bühne stellte, da sollte der Mensch den Gott im Menschen darstellen, namentlich den aus den Erdentiefen heraufsteigenden Gott, der den Menschen den Willen gibt. Die Willensbegabung sahen mit einem gewissen Recht unsere alten Vorfahren, noch die alten Griechen, als von dem Irdischen heraufkommend in die menschliche Natur. Die Götter der Tiefe, die in den Menschen hineinsteigen, um ihm den Willen zu geben, die dionysischen Götter wollten die Menschen der alten Zeiten auf der Bühne sehen. Der Mensch war gewissermaßen nur die Umhüllung der dionysischen Gottheit. 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