{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 276/1923-06-09/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"With artistry like Titian's in “The Ascension of Mary,” we feel, on beholding the reception of Mary's head by God the Father, that now we must go no further in the treatment of light; we must halt. For we have reached the limit of the possible. To carry it further would be to fall into the intellectualistic, the inartistic. We must not make one stroke beyond what is indicated by light, rather than contour. The moment we insist on contour, we become intellectualistic, inartistic. Near the top this picture is in danger of becoming inartistic. The painters immediately after Titian fell prey to this danger. Look at the depiction of angels right up to the time of Titian. They are painted in heavenly regions. But look how carefully the painters avoided leaving the realm of color. Always you can ask yourself in regard to these angels of the pre-Titian age, and of Titian too: Couldn't they be clouds? If you cannot do that, if there is no uncertainty about existence, being, or semblance, shine, if there is an attempt fully to delineate the essence of the spiritual, artistry ceases.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VI","site_heading":"Painting and the Spiritual Radiance of Color","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1923-06-09","location":null,"word_count":189,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/276/1923-06-09/p020","alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Lisa D. 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Denn im Augenblicke, wo man zu stark in die Kontur hineingeht, wird es intellektualistisch, das heißt unkünstlerisch. Nach oben wird das Bild in der Tat so, daß es in der Gefahr schwebt, unkünstlerisch zu sein. Die Maler nach Tizian sind auch gleich dieser Gefahr verfallen. Sehen Sie sich noch bis zu Tizian hin die Engel an. Nicht wahr, wenn wir da in die himmlische Region hinaufkommen, kommen wir zu den Engeln. Sehen Sie sich an, wie da sorgfältig verhütet ist, aus der Farbe herauszugehen. Da können Sie immer noch zu den Engeln sagen in der vortizianischen Zeit, auch in gewissem Sinne bei Tizian, wenn Sie wollen: Könnten dies nicht auch Wolken sein? - Wenn Sie das nämlich nicht können, wenn Sie nicht können zwischen diesem Sein und Schein wenigstens noch im Unklaren sein, wenn Sie schon ganz ins Sein hineinkommen, ins Sein des Geistigen, dann hört es auf, künstlerisch zu sein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":251,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/276/1923-06-09/p015"}],"english":["GA 276/1923-06-09/p020"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":251,"en_words":189,"ratio":0.75,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.74,"band":"short","note":"This witness is materially shorter than the original (below 75%). Passages may be omitted without any visible gap. 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